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Sun is a joke.

Madan

Sat Jun 1 13:01:31 2002

Macromedia and Apple want CFMX on the Mac platform.
Can't.


Why?

Sun has dragged their feet making a JVM for X.

Assclowns.

M.

DrPizza

Sat Jun 1 15:21:10 2002

And the thing preventing Apple or Macromedia from writing the JVM is...?

Magus

Sat Jun 1 15:54:12 2002

Incompetence, I should think.
DrPizza

Sat Jun 1 18:00:12 2002

That much is taken for granted.
DrPizza

Sat Jun 1 18:02:32 2002

Though of course, I can understand why a company wouldn't want to implement their own.

You might implement your own, hold off on updating it to include a (significant) new feature because your license contract says you can, then get taken to court by Sun who says it doesn't say you can (even though it does).  You'll then drop the JVM because it's a liability (i.e. Sun is a bloody great headache) and then Sun will take out adverts in newspapers saying that you shouldn't have dropped the JVM.

Jeremy Reimer

Sat Jun 1 18:50:13 2002

Yeah, the irony of certain *ahem* people who we all know and love, who hold up Java as a kind of wondrous example of open software is truly staggering.

Sun controls Java with an iron fist.  

Harbinger

Sun Jun 2 03:30:51 2002

from DrPizza posted at 2:02 pm on June 1, 2002

Though of course, I can understand why a company wouldn't want to implement their own.

You might implement your own, hold off on updating it to include a (significant) new feature because your license contract says you can, then get taken to court by Sun who says it doesn't say you can (even though it does).  You'll then drop the JVM because it's a liability (i.e. Sun is a bloody great headache) and then Sun will take out adverts in newspapers saying that you shouldn't have dropped the JVM.

But this is all just speaking hypothetically, right? ;)

Evil Merlin

Mon Jun 3 09:17:34 2002

Where is that IBM and Sun cock sucker MWNH?

I'm sure his red anus would be supporting Sun and the decicsions about Java till he blows out his balloon knot from all the porking.

Magus

Mon Jun 3 15:05:32 2002

I wouldn't have put it quite as, er, poetically but I agree EM.

It's actually funny in a way. Sun effectively just killed Java on Windows, and thereby lost the biggest market for it.

Evil Merlin

Mon Jun 3 16:47:46 2002

And the funniest thing is, now that they realized they killed Java, they are suing Microsoft to put it back, after they sued to take it out!
AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Mon Jun 3 16:49:39 2002

And the funniest thing is, now that they realized they killed Java, they are suing Microsoft to put it back, after they sued to take it out!

indeed.

Magus

Mon Jun 3 20:52:18 2002

Unless the judge is just dumb, there's no way Sun'll get it. After all, they DID get it taken out like they wanted.
Evil Merlin

Tue Jun 4 11:22:09 2002

However I did spend a long time learning Java.

I'm glad C# is easy to learn and program.

HitScan

Tue Jun 4 13:38:23 2002

C# is easy to learn and program. What I don't understand is people boo-hooing about VB and then saying C# is pretty good. If you're talking about comparable versions they are the same thing! Take the line enders and an extra paren or two here and there, a couple reserved word substitutions and you have VB, ready to run. I'm surprised there isn't a toolbar button in VS.Net to just switch over everything you've written in one language to the other.

Well, that was plenty off topic. Par for the course. :D

Magus

Tue Jun 4 14:47:16 2002

from Evil Merlin posted at 6:22 am on June 4, 2002

However I did spend a long time learning Java.
Me too, unfortunately, as one of my professor's completely believes Sun's BS.
PaoloM

Wed Jun 5 04:06:11 2002

from HitScan posted at 6:38 am on June 4, 2002

C# is easy to learn and program. What I don't understand is people boo-hooing about VB and then saying C# is pretty good. If you're talking about comparable versions they are the same thing! Take the line enders and an extra paren or two here and there, a couple reserved word substitutions and you have VB, ready to run. I'm surprised there isn't a toolbar button in VS.Net to just switch over everything you've written in one language to the other.

Well, that was plenty off topic. Par for the course. :D


But.. it's visual! And it's basic! Of course it can't be a serious language.

The fact that the three largest software systems in BC are written in VB6 should be proof enough that you can use it for large scale deployment...

But noooo... only C++, no, better, J2EE on Sun E10K can sustain that load!

Put a couple of midrange Compaq as SQL7 servers and a farm of a couple of dozens of Dells for MTS and the tax management needs of a province are satisfied.

In Visual Basic.

Six point oh.

Evil Merlin

Wed Jun 5 11:06:42 2002

C# is NOT Visual Basic.

C# is far more extendable. Yes it is easy for C# to interpret VB, but it's not the same thing, as C# can also do Java if need be (as well as any other language).

HitScan

Wed Jun 5 13:52:08 2002

You misunderstand me. C# is not VB, of course not. But the new VB is C#. It's so different from VB 6 as to be completely different.  Program flow is identical. IL code produced is identical. There are very few concepts in C# that weren't copied to VB. Other than those, ";"'s and This() = That[] they've become the same. I think it's a good thing too. Especially for ASP.Net since they finally kicked off VBScript (which was pretty pitiful.)

I've not a clue what you're talking about with C# "interpreting" VB or Java. It looks similar to Java (right down to the /// doc comments, heh) and VB has been made similar to C#, but I don't see it interpreting either.

Evil Merlin

Wed Jun 5 14:22:34 2002

I guess I did not so good 'splaining...

I keep forgetting that C# is not Visual.Net.

My bad.

Harbinger

Wed Jun 5 19:41:11 2002

I don't program anymore.
HitScan

Wed Jun 5 20:42:04 2002

you're missing out harb. It's teh fun shit. :D
Magus

Wed Jun 5 21:05:46 2002

from HitScan posted at 3:42 pm on June 5, 2002

you're missing out harb. It's teh fun shit. :D
Amen, brother.
DrPizza

Thu Jun 6 04:47:21 2002

I'm a little curious as to why Madan hasn't answered the question I posed.
Harbinger

Thu Jun 6 13:27:26 2002

from HitScan posted at 4:42 pm on June 5, 2002

you're missing out harb. It's teh fun shit. :D

I dunno.  My brain's having a hard enough time keeping up with all the networking technology stuff I need/want to keep up with, as that's my primary job function.

University kinda burned me out WRT programming.  Back in "my day," the BS in CompSci was damn near 92% programming, and it just kinda wore me out.  They only offered (at the time) 1 single class on other topics like graphics, databases, and networking.  Today it's completely different, and I kinda wish I was going to uni now full-time.