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Which Sailor Scout would you be?

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Sat Mar 24 05:15:56 2001

I'd be Sailor Mercury, cause she has blue hair and is smart and stuff!

see?


How bout you guys?

We have spots open for Sailor Moon, Sailor Mini-Moon, Sailor Venus, Sailor Jupiter, and Sailor Mars.

We can be the official OSY Sailor Scouts!

Yay!

Jeremy Reimer

Sat Mar 24 06:41:59 2001

Can I be Sailor Uranus?
AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Sat Mar 24 07:33:42 2001

Sure

I guess.

Imitation Gruel

Sat Mar 24 07:35:21 2001

<Bizarre Drivel>

Aren't two of the Sailor Scouts lesbians?

You know, that's just what American animation is missing; it doesn't need more violence; it needs more dykes. Hot ones.

</Bizarre Drivel>

Imitation Gruel

Sat Mar 24 11:15:58 2001

:::moves thread to top of page:::

Obviously no one can think of a suitable rebuttal to my comment so I guess you all agree. Damn right.

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Sat Mar 24 17:09:07 2001

Aren't two of the Sailor Scouts lesbians?

You know, that's just what American animation is missing; it doesn't need more violence; it needs more dykes. Hot ones.

Can they be naked too?

Harbinger

Sat Mar 24 19:00:32 2001

I have no disagreement to your proposal, IG.
Robocop Q Einstein

Sat Mar 24 19:18:28 2001

You know, that's just what American animation is missing; it doesn't need more violence; it needs more dykes. Hot ones.

Every guy knows that all girls are closet dykes.  We don't have to change anything, just get them drunk.

Wow, I didn't think I could get that out.  That was funny.

DuffMan

Sat Mar 24 23:02:13 2001

Sailor Moon=Kiddie Porn

All that anime for kids is

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Sat Mar 24 23:32:25 2001

Is that what Bobe Dole thinks?
DuffMan

Sun Mar 25 01:41:46 2001

No, thats what I think, who knows what bob dole thinks. Probably to hopped up on viagra to care.
Zathras

Tue Mar 27 10:37:43 2001

Aren't two of the Sailor Scouts lesbians?

You mean Haruka (Amara) and Michiru (Michelle) ?

Sailor Neptune and Sailor Uranus?


Well, there's not much said and done in season S when they appear, but the subtext is made pretty clear in Stars.  In the manga it was always pretty clear-cut.

And so far, while they did try to write around it for the US/CA dub, a lot of the subtext is still there.  If you weren't looking for it, you would still get the hint.

Nothing to rule out they aren't actually bi, though.


Honestly, they're not naked.  Go draw your own crappy doujinshi if you want that.


And to someone like DuffMan, I do suppose it would be "kiddie porn".  I mean it's free and on TV, he probably gets off on it, and DuffMan is undoubtedly a minor, so to him it would be technically "kiddie porn" (porn for a pathetic kiddie wanker).

DuffMan

Tue Mar 27 10:58:36 2001

Um, roight you got me pegged there.

No I am not a minor first of all. No I do not get off to Sailor Moon. The reason I called it kiddie porn is because it sexualizes kids at a young age. Just look at the skirt on the chick at the top of the page. Personally I have nothing against short skirts, but if I had a kid I wouldnt want them forming their conception of female behaivor from a show where all the girls where short skirts and act unrealistically submissive. That's my problem with the show, it's targeted at kids.

For an adult such as yourself who has nothing better to do all day than watch cartoons, I think the show is fine. Obviously your mind has been warped beyond repair, probably due to poor parenting, and the corrupt public school system. For anyone who holds a childs cartoon as a worthy cause to defend by making childish insults, obviously suffers from a lack of perspective.

Imitation Gruel

Tue Mar 27 11:17:22 2001

I don't get off to Sailor Moon either; nor do I even watch the show, neither in dub form, or subbed, or raw; and I haven't read the manga either. No interest, zero zip nada.

It was an observation based on something I read.

Zathras

Tue Mar 27 12:45:22 2001

The reason I called it kiddie porn is because it sexualizes kids at a young age. Just look at the skirt on the chick at the top of the page. Personally I have nothing against short skirts, but if I had a kid I wouldnt want them forming their conception of female behaivor from a show where all the girls where short skirts

True enough.


and act unrealistically submissive. That's my problem with the show, it's targeted at kids.

You got the "unrealistically submissive" part wrong there.

And with what little sexuality the show has, I'm not sure why you have such a problem with it being targeted at kids.

I take what I said back, you obviously can't have watched much of it.

Just because something is targeted at kids, doesn't mean it has nothing that older persons would appreciate as well.  I think that in it's NorthAmericanized form, it does a pretty good job of straddling the kiddie and teen appeal.

I can look over it's faults for what it brings.  It truly was the first show to bring the a female-oriented superhero show to the NorthAmerican market.  It got everyone to realize that "hey, girls will watch cartoons too -- it's not just a crap boys club".  It may be perhaps the only animated show airing in NorthAmerica where more time is spent on discussions of dating, relationships, "boys", and other previously vetreboten subjects than the same old "defeat the evil villain" action.

It's something different.  And it's worth as much for what it represents than what it is.

If all you can do is complain about the short skirts, and let that turn you away, then I'm sorry for you.


For an adult such as yourself who has nothing better to do all day than watch cartoons, I think the show is fine. Obviously your mind has been warped beyond repair, probably due to poor parenting, and the corrupt public school system. For anyone who holds a childs cartoon as a worthy cause to defend by making childish insults, obviously suffers from a lack of perspective.

Right.

Not like I have time to watch the damn show every day, but I can pop a tape in now and then, and it's on weekly as well.

I don't care that much about Sailor Moon per se, but I was generally annoyed by your general demeanor.  Maybe those were potshots at you?  Yes, they were.  But no more so that the cheap shots like

Sailor Moon=Kiddie Porn
All that anime for kids is

DuffMan.


As for the show itself, either you like it or you don't care much.  I can say that most of it never impressed me that much.  But parts of R and Stars were really impressive.  So much so that they redeemed my overall opinion of the series enough.

And the manga is a good quick read with some real feeling behind the appropriation of mythologies and beautiful, sensuous art.

DuffMan

Tue Mar 27 18:03:17 2001

When I said "all that anime for kids is" kiddie porn, I didnt mean that all anime is. I haven't really seen much serious anime, but I hear that some of it is good and will give it the benefit of the doubt.

The stuff I'm against is the cartoon network type anime. I admit that I've never watched a whole show of sailor moon, and the submissive behaivor thing might be wrong for that show. But from what I've seen of cartoon network type anime, women in the shows seem to be objectified. I have a 12-year-old brother who watches a lot of that stuff. If he bases his perception of women on these stupid shows, its going to fuck up his head.

Maybe its a clash between eastern philosophy and American feminism, but I think shows like those arent healthy for kids to watch.

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Tue Mar 27 19:20:05 2001

DuffMan said:

If he bases his perception of women on these stupid shows, its going to fuck up his head.

I don't know if it's accurate to single out cartoons are particularily anime, as TV in general seems to have that effect IMO.

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Wed Mar 28 00:24:31 2001

Well, we have a Mercury and a Uranus Scout.

RQE, who'e you like to be?

(Edited by AllYorBaseRBelong2Us at 4:25 pm on Mar. 27, 2001)

Zathras

Wed Mar 28 02:24:47 2001

What anime on Cartoon Network are you speaking of, DuffMan?


Sailor Moon?

Tenchi OAV/Universe/Tokyo?

Outlaw Star?


I'll grant that each of these has a little objectification in it, even after the editing.

However, not so much that I consider it to outweigh the better qualities of the shows.  And certainly not much more than their non-Japanese anime, such as Superman or Batman.  If your brother is getting fucked up from it, it's more to do with him than the shows.  He should be more than a passive conduit for media impressions anyway.  And if he isn't more than that, you better hope he isn't watching MTV.


Ronin Warriors?

DragonBall Z?

Gundam Wing?

Really, what objectification could you find there?  If anything, those shows come close to objectifying the male characters and leaving the female characters pretty well alone.


So, what was this about "Cartoon Network Anime" you were complaining about?

DuffMan

Wed Mar 28 04:34:51 2001

True, MTV would be worse.

To me there just seems like something inherently evil about anime for kids.

Zathras

Wed Mar 28 09:14:19 2001

To me there just seems like something inherently evil about anime for kids.

You know, I didn't think you were trolling all anime in your statement earlier.  It was pretty badly worded.  You were trolling Sailor Moon.

Note the "kiddie porn" comment was somewhat in jest -- to qualify as "kiddie porn" to you, I reasoned that it would therefore have to be porn in your eyes (you get off on it) and you would have to be a kiddie as well.  Don't read too much into it.

But now, after a pretty level-headed post, I don't get this.  I really don't.

Pocket Monsters (Pokemon) not for kids?  Digimon not for kids?


to take two current examples, what could you have against them, other than not being very good shows?


Hello Kitty not for Kids?

Mysterious Cities of Gold not for Kids?

World Masterpiece Theater not for Kids?

Hell, Totoro, Kiki, et. all not for Kids?

What the hell would this world be without them?  (well, forget Hello Kitty)

As for what's on Cartoon Network, it's pretty clear what they run is intended for older kids (They say 7 and up, but 11, 12+ really -- just look at their target demographic numbers rising) and teens.  But even then, I don't consider anything there to be terribly damaging or age innappropriate for the younger crowd.

Imitation Gruel

Wed Aug 29 08:19:00 2001

Who'd have figured I'd become a BSSM avatar fanatic since the posting of this thread?

980

Imitation Gruel

Wed Aug 29 08:20:10 2001

Incidentally I'd be Sailor Saturn because I like her hair, and her real name: Tomoe Hotaru.

And because she's the senshi of destruction.

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Wed Aug 29 22:55:05 2001

Who'd have figured I'd become a BSSM avatar fanatic since the posting of this thread?

My zigs told me that you'd come around.

I'm pleased you see things my way now :)

HitScan

Wed Aug 29 23:45:40 2001

Well, if we have to choose a scout to be I'd say I'm torn between 2 choices.

1. Sailor Venus, because she looks the best endowed, and long blonde hair is fucking hot.

b. And any of the others, because if I was Venus, I'd be so busy getting myself off, on myself, that I'd be too busy too look for another hot scout to munch rug with.

It's a dilema you see :biggrin:

DuffMan

Wed Aug 29 23:47:56 2001

Wow, I used to hate anime, but now I just don't care at all.

Funny how ancient thread revivals can point out how you change.

Forum Fixer Man

Mon Sep 10 08:51:11 2001

sailor fagot