Tue Mar 26 23:34:29 2002
I mean, I think we all know that Compaq isn't exactly synonymous with quality. I myself learned this when my power supply on my brand new Deskpro burnt out in under 3 months of medium intensity/time usage. It also took the technical help 2 weeks to diagnose something that took me two hours. I swear I would have given them a super reverse double backhanded Karate Kid stork-action pimp slap, if I was close enough....
Now, my school's been buying HPs and we've been having more problems than a Priest in a daycare center. :rolleyes:
The fifth machine we pulled literally burned itself out upon plugging it in.
No, I'm not fucking kidding. We plugged it in and it made a popping sound and fried the mobo. Fried the proc. Fried the psu. Fried in its own ass.
Wow... quality.
We've been having similar problems. As opposed to our biggest problem with the iMac(which was people bitching about "broken mice" that were simply dirty)...
But let's go beyond HP and Compaq.
Emachines? Sucks my dick.
Sony? Sucks my dick and swallows.
Toshiba? Do they even make anything *but* laptops anymore? I doubt it. They suck most honorable swine labia.
Micron? Aren't they out of business in the PC assembly market?
Gateway? Slightly better quality. Oh wait! They're as good as dead!
And now you've got Best Buy joining into the fray? Shit, why don't you just bend down and ram your own cock into your ass. It can't feel any worse than buying their machines.
IBM? Muahahahaha! Oh, that's funny.
Acer si teh dead.
And the list goes on and on.
Or maybe the smaller companies?
Alienware? I've heard good AND bad things from them.
Or maybe iBuyPower, which actually has a BBB file in three seperate states?
Shit.
The only company that kicks major ass is Dell. Thank God they're doing well. Otherwise what the hell else would the avg. non-enthusiast do?
BTW, we just received 5 Dell laps in our school. They wouldn't let us buy iBooks :( but I guess Dell is the next best thing.
M.
(Edited by Madan at 3:41 pm on Mar. 26, 2002)
Tue Mar 26 23:42:33 2002
here's the one's I have heard good about:
Dell (Dude!...)
Alienware
Voodoo extreme
Here's the one's I wouldn't touch:
Compaq
HP
Emachines.
There are thousands of inbetweens. I absolutely love Sony's Laptops. They are so good Apple has to try to copy them :cheesy:
Compaq Lappys look like they were manufactured inside someone's ass!
But, i'd rather DYI myself. The difference is where people skimp on components and what kind of proprietary crap cases they use. I think a favorite thing to skimp on is power supplies (which might explain you're toasty HP)
:)
Tue Mar 26 23:45:20 2002
I haven't had good experiences with Sony laps. I *have* had good experiences with Toshiba laptops though.
But they don't make PCs anymore, do they?
M.
Wed Mar 27 00:06:50 2002
But they don't make PCs anymore, do they?
I don't ever recall a Toshiba Desktop. :)
BTW, you're silly :)
Wed Mar 27 00:22:07 2002
I seem to remember reading somewhere that they had to retreat from the desktop market because Compaq and HP were kicking their ass.
And yes, I am silly, I know.
g'nite.
M.
Wed Mar 27 00:50:00 2002
Hazoos H.! My father, who's retired, had used a Compaq for over 3 years and he never calls me. Another neighbor has an AST. AN AS-fucking-T! It was the eMachine of its day. It's got like a -10 x .006Hz pentium in it, but she refuses to let it go. She never calls me. But the HP-owners, once a week like clockwork, no matter what I do.
HP sucks the balls of every animal on the planet.
Wed Mar 27 03:06:48 2002
Then we have the might Toshiba highend laptops which also own the laptop world.
Me knows because me has bought ~4 sony vaio laptops for work and have used them all for installing stuff and taking care of them. Plus their service center is great (had a few probs with some old vaio's).
I wouldn't get to carried away with calling major PC OEM's crap for some instances of bad products. Although I'm not saying that some OEM's do cut corners to much. Remember that the original iMac had some serious issues. Heck considering my pretty good record with Apple products, it surprised me to see my iMac monitor fail which happens to be a problem for the iMac.
Each company has a line which they define as the minimum level of quality. If their failure rate in the manufactoring process is very low then we hear very few cases of bad experiences. However if you have like most people, a manufacturing process that has a failure rate of ~2-5 percent (especially with mass production) then you might see more cases of unhappy people. Plus a company can define that some 'bad comptuers' are acceptable because they fit within the tolerance of what can pass.
In my book, the Apple of the last two years is not better then some of the big OEM's in the PC world. Plus their service is not as great. :( I remember my macs from ~4 years ago and the great service I had from them. My old 7600 powermac which was EOL and had no warranty, had a harddrive which died because of some random extreme weather changes in HK. I took it to the Apple service center and they replaced the harddrive for free!! No service charges nothing. My sister's iBook had a memory failure. Apple sent a fedex dude to come pick up the laptop, fixed it, and returned it within two days. No charges especially seeing as she forgot her warranty papers in Hong Kong. Now that surprised me.
BUT!!!!
For every good story there are those that have had bad experiences with a company. So i've heard the horror stories from people with regards to Apple. Equally i have heard good and bad stories for other PC OEM's.
Wed Mar 27 03:51:43 2002
HP sucks the balls of every animal on the planet.
..Through a straw made of monkeys' foreskins no less...
Wed Mar 27 03:53:15 2002
Sony Laptops are fucking sweet. In magazines the top two best laptops have been the Vaio and the for the 'alternative platform' its the Apple Laptops.
AYB agrees! :)
Wed Mar 27 06:12:09 2002
Madan, who wants nothing but "technical answers only" managed to blurt out this vague oversimplification:
Sometimes I wonder how you people can praise x86-based systems with a straight face when all your major OEMs suck hot donkey ass.
Then goes on to rant about the HP problems his school is having.
Before you go any further, would you mind telling us all what MODEL these HPs are? Are they Pavilions, Vectras, ePC, or what? Simply branding the entire company's products as trash because you're having trouble with one model is foolish. Or should everyone shitcan Apple because of their bad "Poorforma" experiences?
FWIW, I happen to like the HP Vectras because they are solid work machines with good network managabilities. The Pavilions, which is their model for home use, I've found to be lackluster. Some models good, others poor. On the server side, I've only worked with a few models of their under-$5k servers but they have all been solid.
I can echo nearly the same for Compaq too: For all the people bitching about Compaq's poor quality, it's almost invariably about their home computers -- which I feel are of poor quality. Their servers, though, were very good IMO (I say "were" since I haven't been around them daily since 1998). I once worked at a pharmaceutical subsidiary where we had a data center with 30+ rackmounted Compaq servers of various flavors. They were solid.
BTW, Toshiba did make desktop computers, but apparently they dropped them within the last year. I've never seen them marketed to anything but businesses. One series was a desktop case that had an extremely easy-to-remove mobo that made RAM/card installation a snap (and took up less deskspace than the vaunted apple case ;)) and replacement very fast for IT; this is something they showed off at Networld+Interop, for instance.
A client purchased some Toshibas because the Vectras they normally purchased from their regular vendor didn't have them in stock (or not on special sale) and they needed PCs ASAP. In that office, those Toshibas (M100 model?) had been as steadfast as the Vectras -- they haven't called me in to fix ANY of them since the initial setup. But then again, it could be that the reason they work so well is because I did the setup. ;)
Toshiba also sells servers: the Magnia series.
Emachines? Sucks my dick.
Be glad you get any sexual pleasure. ;)
IBM? Muahahahaha! Oh, that's funny.
Wahahaaa! Wow, that's vague.
Micron is still advertising in computer mags and online, and they're offering PCs for home and business (and gov't), and laptops, as well as servers. So they must be doing something.
Acer si teh dead.
Not as stiff as, say, PowerComputing.
So I think the moral is: x86 boxes crap out when their Madan detectors kick on. ;)
Wed Mar 27 06:53:03 2002
Wed Mar 27 14:38:29 2002
Captain
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*sigh*Madan, who wants nothing but "technical answers only" managed to blurt out this vague oversimplification:
Quote: Sometimes I wonder how you people can praise x86-based systems with a straight face when all your major OEMs suck hot donkey ass.
Then goes on to rant about the HP problems his school is having.
Yes, technical weaknesses that noone has given me, btw.
As for HP, I think that if you post on Ars asking the question of HP quality, you'll get pretty much the same story.
Look at this very thread for confirmation of that.
Besides, anecodtal evidence, especially of the overwhelming nature *is* an accurate measuement of quality. And why not? If most people have problems with their products, wouldn't that indicate that their quality is poor?
Yes, of course it would, just like it does for Netscape and a myriad of other companies.
Before you go any further, would you mind telling us all what MODEL these HPs are? Are they Pavilions, Vectras, ePC, or what? Simply branding the entire company's products as trash because you're having trouble with one model is foolish. Or should everyone shitcan Apple because of their bad "Poorforma" experiences?
They're Vectras.
FWIW, I happen to like the HP Vectras because they are solid work machines with good network managabilities. The Pavilions, which is their model for home use, I've found to be lackluster. Some models good, others poor. On the server side, I've only worked with a few models of their under-$5k servers but they have all been solid.
They're Vectras.
Would you like pictures? We've bought about 300 of them. I told them not to. They're really starting to listen to me now...
I can echo nearly the same for Compaq too: For all the people bitching about Compaq's poor quality, it's almost invariably about their home computers -- which I feel are of poor quality. Their servers, though, were very good IMO (I say "were" since I haven't been around them daily since 1998). I once worked at a pharmaceutical subsidiary where we had a data center with 30+ rackmounted Compaq servers of various flavors. They were solid.
I don't give a damn about servers. Please reread my initial post. The average user doesn't have a server on his/her desk. I'm tired about hearing about their fucking servers. Their PCs are a joke. The quality was so bad that HP won the bid, with MORE EXPENSIVE hardware because even the morons in charge of the state purchasing knew that the complaints were astronomical.
BTW, Toshiba did make desktop computers, but apparently they dropped them within the last year. I've never seen them marketed to anything but businesses. One series was a desktop case that had an extremely easy-to-remove mobo that made RAM/card installation a snap (and took up less deskspace than the vaunted apple case ) and replacement very fast for IT; this is something they showed off at Networld+Interop, for instance.
Oooh, goody. I was right.
Toshiba also sells servers: the Magnia series.
Madan also doesn't give a shit about servers: he was talking about the average user.
Quote: Emachines? Sucks my dick.Be glad you get any sexual pleasure.
What? No attempts to defend their shoddy products too?
Quote: IBM? Muahahahaha! Oh, that's funny.Wahahaaa! Wow, that's vague.
Let me make it clear for you. In the five years IBM has had major problems with its laptop and desktop offerings to the degree that they've had:
-Above average problems with hard drive failure.
-Above average problems with network card failure.
And have considered dropping the OEM business entirely because, well, they *suck* at it. Not only is it one of their worst performing tines but it is also one of the least respected by critics and authors AND consumers. Gee, I wonder why?
Micron is still advertising in computer mags and online, and they're offering PCs for home and business (and gov't), and laptops, as well as servers. So they must be doing something.
Let's try again. Micron == Dead. They've been having major financial problems with that tine and, worse still, that titanium-clad "crush Dell" quality they had 4 years ago is no longer ballyhooed. Gee, I wonder why? Could it be the massive problems they've been having with desktops?
Quote: Acer si teh dead.Not as stiff as, say, PowerComputing.
Oh no! You attacked Mac! *Gasp*. Uhm, PowerComputing? I don't give a shit about PowerComputing. You say they suck? Fine.
So I think the moral is: x86 boxes crap out when their Madan detectors kick on.
The moral of the story is that you're taking it as an attack on the platform itself when obviously the OEMs are *quite* shitty. Just because they make ONE good server series or a trio of overpriced but decent laptops doesn't mean they're a good OEM, especially if the majority of their products or if their best sellers are baked/glazed shit.
M.
(Edited by Madan at 6:39 am on Mar. 27, 2002)
Wed Mar 27 15:05:56 2002
Wed Mar 27 22:47:54 2002
Besides, anecodtal evidence, especially of the overwhelming nature *is* an accurate measuement of quality. And why not? If most people have problems with their products, wouldn't that indicate that their quality is poor?
No, it wouldn't -- because a few people posting here do not constitute the "most people" that props up your argument. All companies are going to have a number of users who have problems with said products, but that doesn't automatically equate to all their products being poor. Do some companies make crappy products? Certainly, no doubt. Are there some companies that make nothing BUT crappy products? I'd have to say there are very few, certainly far less than you're trying to portray. I might start with Ktel myself.
They're Vectras.
I'm sorry to hear that, since my experiences have been nothing but positive. You've not mentioned models and specs and (I believe) what the problems were, but to be honest I'm not particularly interested in following that path.
*aside* Forgot to mention HP Brio models as well as the Vectras in one of the examples I gave previously. The Brios for us turned out to be very good, very low-cost general-use desktop boxes.
They're really starting to listen to me now...
If they read your posts at Ars, they may reconsider. :tongue: ;)
I don't give a damn about servers. Please reread my initial post. The average user doesn't have a server on his/her desk. I'm tired about hearing about their fucking servers. Their PCs are a joke. The quality was so bad that HP won the bid, with MORE EXPENSIVE hardware because even the morons in charge of the state purchasing knew that the complaints were astronomical.
Don't give a damn? Tough. Your initial grandiose statement was, "all your major OEMs suck hot donkey ass." You then went on to disparage a number of vendors as having nothing but crappy products -- you didn't specify usage or type, you just made a blanket statement. That blanket statement was incorrect, and I was pointing this out to you by saying that most of these companies have products that are actually *not* crap. Can you accept this line of reasoning?
Madan also doesn't give a shit about servers: he was talking about the average user.
But Madan did not put in that stipulation, therefore Madan put his foot in his mouth. ;)
Let me make it clear for you. In the five years IBM has had major problems with its laptop and desktop offerings to the degree that they've had:-Above average problems with hard drive failure.
-Above average problems with network card failure.And have considered dropping the OEM business entirely because, well, they *suck* at it. Not only is it one of their worst performing tines but it is also one of the least respected by critics and authors AND consumers. Gee, I wonder why?
1) You talking about the Deathstar problem? If so, you're blanketing everything because of one specific model's problems. That's wrong. Should we all pooh-pooh Apple because of old Performa problems?
2) What NIC problems are you referring to? What models were affected?
If these are the only two things on which you're basing your entire anti-IBM stance, I think you're jumping to conclusions again WRT quality.
They moved to direct-sales model for their desktops. Do you have a problem with this?
Let's try again. Micron == Dead. They've been having major financial problems with that tine and, worse still, that titanium-clad "crush Dell" quality they had 4 years ago is no longer ballyhooed. Gee, I wonder why? Could it be the massive problems they've been having with desktops?
For a dead company, they still seem to be selling computers (not unlike Apple ;)). What 'massive problems' are they having with desktops? You keep coming off as taking things to extremes.
Quote:
Quote: Acer si teh dead.Not as stiff as, say, PowerComputing.
Oh no! You attacked Mac! *Gasp*. Uhm, PowerComputing? I don't give a shit about PowerComputing. You say they suck? Fine.
Again, here's an instance where Madan puts words into someone else's mouth, and introduces an argument from out of nowhere. Please point to me where I said that PowerComputing sucks. Please do, <madan>I'd like to see you do so.</madan> In case you missed it, here's a recap of what was said:
Madan: Micron is dead.
Harb: Not as dead as PowerComputing.
Madan: You say they (PC) suck? Fine.
logic: :confused:
Also, I didn't attack the Mac (what's with the persecution complex, madan?). If anything, I attacked your logic, or lack of implementation. :rolleyes: And please stop putting words into others' mouths.
Just because they make ONE good server series or a trio of overpriced but decent laptops doesn't mean they're a good OEM, especially if the majority of their products or if their best sellers are baked/glazed shit.
In your opinion. I posit that these OEMs make far more than 'ONE good server series or a trio of overpriced but decent laptops' -- however, you don't seem to want to be open to the fact that such a situation might be true. The OEMs you listed have sold many computers, and I haven't seen numbers that say there's a majority of their users compaining about their products. It would seem that you would take whatever bitching you can find that supports your argument, and extrapolate that if some users have complaints, then it must mean that most users have complaints. That's how you come across, and it's just not true.
Wed Mar 27 23:07:23 2002
Quote: Besides, anecodtal evidence, especially of the overwhelming nature *is* an accurate measuement of quality. And why not? If most people have problems with their products, wouldn't that indicate that their quality is poor?No, it wouldn't -- because a few people posting here do not constitute the "most people" that props up your argument. All companies are going to have a number of users who have problems with said products, but that doesn't automatically equate to all their products being poor. Do some companies make crappy products? Certainly, no doubt. Are there some companies that make nothing BUT crappy products?
Some <> most. You're assuming that most Deskpros users don't have problems. I'm not saying that *every* machine they make is poor but the overwhelming majority are.
I'd have to say there are very few, certainly far less than you're trying to portray. I might start with Ktel myself.
I'm not trying to *portray* anything. If you want to waste your resources on Compaq, be my guest but I don't need you to tell me their products kick ass when my students have brought complaints, the school's had issues with poor Compaqs and me, myself, I've had the worst case of customer service I've ever encountered.
To me, coupled with the majority of users on Ars AND here telling me "shit you have a Compaq, no wonder you hate PC" and similar comments, that *does* form a massive majority for me. In fact, before E_M, I've never heard *anyone* say anything good about Compaq and as for his anecdote, I'm more than a bit suspicious. After all, skills-wise, I think E_M just slightly slips by the average person in troubleshooting/hardware/networking don't you think? Of course I mean "slightly" as in fucking huge.
So, if it's ok with you, I'll stick with Dell. You can go replace your psu six times a week as far as I care.
Quote: They're Vectras.I'm sorry to hear that, since my experiences have been nothing but positive. You've not mentioned models and specs and (I believe) what the problems were, but to be honest I'm not particularly interested in following that path.
:rolleyes: I mentioned it already. The psu's were faulty(on the one that blew up) and caused a surge in the mobo. The others had problems attributed to the "system board". Before you blame this on me, btw, you should know that I didn't install them. We had a *team* of HP personnel, from...*gasp* HP doing the installations.
*aside* Forgot to mention HP Brio models as well as the Vectras in one of the examples I gave previously. The Brios for us turned out to be very good, very low-cost general-use desktop boxes.
We don't have any. Guess what? We're not buying any more HPs. The four we lost on the first week alone were enough.
Quote: They're really starting to listen to me now...If they read your posts at Ars, they may reconsider.
Uhm...oh yeah...SCREW YOU.
Quote: Just because they make ONE good server series or a trio of overpriced but decent laptops doesn't mean they're a good OEM, especially if the majority of their products or if their best sellers are baked/glazed shit.
I leapfrogged the rest. I'll deal with this since I'm in a hurry.
In your opinion. I posit that these OEMs make far more than 'ONE good server series or a trio of overpriced but decent laptops' -- however, you don't seem to want to be open to the fact that such a situation might be true. The OEMs you listed have sold many computers, and I haven't seen numbers that say there's a majority of their users compaining about their products. It would seem that you would take whatever bitching you can find that supports your argument, and extrapolate that if some users have complaints, then it must mean that most users have complaints. That's how you come across, and it's just not true.
Well, I guess we'll never find out, will we. Because consumers aren't about to give third, seventh and eighth chances to a coporation that consistently puts out crap.
You remind me of the college buddies I used to have that rode me for buying an Accord.
"But a mustang costs the same and is faster!"
"But that xxxx american vehicle is cheaper!"
"But that xxxx american vehicle is more capacious!"
I'd of course mention that american quality sucks and I would get:
"No it doesn't that's just a rumor!"
"Yeah, american cars have plenty of good products!"
Then explain to me why I've had problems, my family's had problems, my other friends/bosses/contemporaries/strangers all list problems on TV, newspaper, web...
"No! That's just anecdotal. My Impala's *never* given me a problem!"
"Yeah, my Oldsmobile is hard as a rock!"
:rolleyes:
Fuck, yeah....riiiiight. I suppose in retrospect they just enjoyed spending time in the shop because it was a good place to meet chicks? NOT.
And now, you're trying to tell me that the dozen plus students, the dozen plus Arsers, the half-dozen family members and the two dozen contemporaries/coworkers that have listed problems with Compaq/HP/Acer/Emachines, magnifying my own problems with two systems(Compaq), should be washed away by 5% of the comments I've ever heard of 'Paq or HP.
F...ing please. Save it. If you want to play devil's advocate, pick another thread.
M.
(Edited by Madan at 3:15 pm on Mar. 27, 2002)
Thu Mar 28 00:43:49 2002
I have a Compaq Presario 5050, bought in november 1998, happily on 24/7 since then chugging along first as my main workstation and now as a PVR machine. Zero (as in none) problems. (oh, and get this, running Windows 98!!!!!)
I also have a Compaq Presario 1720CA laptop, bought in october 2001. Again, much to your disbelief, zero problems.
In my personal anedoctal evidence, Compaq produces the most reliable and indestructible machines ever. Actually, given that they haven't give me a problem yet, I would think they never will and they'll be immortal, powering the universe well after our extinction.
Now, what do you have to say? Do you have objective proof that my machines are pieces of dung? Or that I'm lying?
(Edited by PaoloM at 4:45 pm on Mar. 27, 2002)
Thu Mar 28 01:40:50 2002
Uhm...oh yeah...SCREW YOU.
:gay:
Thu Mar 28 02:00:37 2002
one: toshiba did indeed make desktops and towers. they sucked ass, but they made them. actually, i used to support a couple of c400 based toshibas running mission critical scanners (i love saying that)... and win98. oh how i used to long for the day they'd let me pull one and put win2k on it... ::sigh::
also, while working at the same company, i was very impressed with the gateway we purchased for one user. once we got it off the bad ups, it was flawless.
Thu Mar 28 12:52:55 2002
one: toshiba did indeed make desktops and towers. they sucked ass, but they made them. actually, i used to support a couple of c400 based toshibas running mission critical scanners (i love saying that)... and win98. oh how i used to long for the day they'd let me pull one and put win2k on it... ::sigh::
Gee, I was right about Toshiba... :rolleyes:
But hey, hey, HEY! They don't suck! No, no they don't. Because even though *most* people complain about the quality, there has to be one or two stooges out there that haven't. So that *must* mean that they are l33t machines!
:rolleyes:
Oh and har,
:moon:
M.
Thu Mar 28 12:54:15 2002
one: toshiba did indeed make desktops and towers. they sucked ass, but they made them. actually, i used to support a couple of c400 based toshibas running mission critical scanners (i love saying that)... and win98. oh how i used to long for the day they'd let me pull one and put win2k on it... ::sigh::
Gee, I was right about Toshiba... :rolleyes:
But hey, hey, HEY! They don't suck! No, no they don't. Because even though *most* people complain about the quality, there has to be one or two stooges out there that haven't. So that *must* mean that they are l33t machines!
:rolleyes:
Oh and har,
:moon:
M.
Fri Mar 29 11:00:01 2002
Here's something to consider Madan: It's generally cheaper to buy mid level quality PCs and replace them when they break then to buy something that has quality comparable to apple.
Fri Mar 29 11:16:54 2002
All 2000+ workstations and 4000+ laptops around here are either Deskpro EN's ranging from the ancient Pentium II 350 I have running XP flawlessly on 128mb of ram, or the M700 Laptops most of the engineers have (I like mine, built-in everything). We don't have many issues other than people losing or dropping the laptops (or getting them stolen), and the Deskpro's are tanks, they just keep working (if you open the EN's up they are all stock parts, nothing proprietary, hell it's even a standard Intel made OEM motherboard), which is why some of us STILL have 350 mhz systems.
Now for the CONSUMER side of Compaq I really cannot say much as I have never touched the damn things.
Fri Mar 29 18:58:20 2002
from Evil Merlin posted at 3:16 am on Mar. 29, 2002
Now for the CONSUMER side of Compaq I really cannot say much as I have never touched the damn things.
Maybe I'm a freak.
Edit: and just to stay on topic with the thread's title. I also owned two HP laptops (Omnibook 4000 and 800CT), an HP 95LX and a HP 360LX. Guess what? Built like tanks (even the 4000/twinhead) and still working (I guess the 4000 is still working, I sold it to buy the 800... :) )
(Edited by PaoloM at 11:00 am on Mar. 29, 2002)
Fri Mar 29 19:00:47 2002
Asstacular.
Fri Mar 29 19:02:25 2002
Fri Mar 29 19:31:43 2002
When I first worked there I was given a 14" monitor to use. I do a lot of layout and formatting work, so using a 14" monitor got old really quickly, especially since I've got a 21" at home. After a year of begging my bosses they finally give me a 15" monitor. (sarcasm) Woohoo! thanks a bunch b'yotches! I'm in heaven now. (/saracsm)
Finally, after another year of begging, they give me a 19" monitor (also a Compaq, and a rather obese ho). I hook it up and find out that the integrated video (ATi) can only do 10x7 at 75Hz at best. It could do 11x8, but only at <60Hz. I ended up bringing a 6 year-old Diamond Stealth 64 card of my own in and plugged it in to the AGP slot (obligatory finger to PCLAN who officially refused to allow me to do that), and it worked great after that. At least I could run at 12x10 at 75Hz.
Of course, it's not really Compaq's fault in this case. Disney should outfit their graphically oriented users with higher spec'd systems. But Compaq needs to consider that many people are using larger monitors these days and should allow for that too. The days of the 14" monitor are pretty much over, even in the workplace.
Fri Mar 29 19:41:54 2002
Sounds like digging a canal with a baby food spoon.
Ack!
Fri Mar 29 20:47:43 2002
Fri Mar 29 21:16:15 2002
from Xspung posted at 3:47 pm on Mar. 29, 2002
The 14" monitor wasn't the worst of it. It was a friggin 90Mhz Pentium machine w/ 16MB. The 1MB of VRAM sure helped things move along though. :)
:eek: That's what they were making you use this decade? (Yeah, I saw you said it went back 4.5 years, but still...)
At one of the largest places I've worked for, we used Deskpro (maybe EN? Can't recall) machines quite extensively. They were decent boxes and worked well for us. They were more like P133-166, though; this is 1998 we're talkin' about. :)
About mid-98 the gfx department asked for and received faster machines. HP Vectra VE models, P2-400 (IIRC) with lotsa RAM and HD space. They were happy, until the parent company shut down our division. C'est la vie.
Fri Mar 29 23:17:06 2002
That's what they were making you use this decade? (Yeah, I saw you said it went back 4.5 years, but still...)
Yep. It was in Stepember of '97. My previous job before that had me on a P-233, so going to Disney World, who supposedly was known for being on the cutting edge of tech, was definitely a step down. Fuck, it wasn't a step. Who am I kidding? It was a straight path to hell. When I left in December '01, a P3-500 was considered top-o-da-line there and they finally began migrating people to Win2K...from Win95. :eek:
Disney World's IT department is what we in the South like to refer to as a - "Technological Backwater." When a bunch of rednecks start making those claims, you know something is seriously wrong. :)
Sat Mar 30 00:12:47 2002
from Xspung posted at 6:17 pm on Mar. 29, 2002When a bunch of rednecks start making those claims, you know something is seriously wrong. :)
Zoinks!
Sat Mar 30 03:08:47 2002
Mind you this is RIGHT now. Which is why the Server Engineering team goes around to the computers the next day and migrates em to Windows 2000.
Sometimes companies are REALLY stupid.
Sat Mar 30 04:22:22 2002
Sometimes companies are REALLY stupid.
yours would be a prime example.
Sat Mar 30 14:58:50 2002
yours would be a prime example.
/me puts hand over mouth
*snicker*
Sat Mar 30 15:05:09 2002
It's amazing that in one week I was able to come up with a default Windows 2000 installs for both the desktop and laptop systems that needs no configuration, drop the cd in, walk away and your system regardless of model (well the models we use in house anyways) is installed and fully configured. All you need to do is add the domain accounts for the users.
I want to know why it took nearly 2 years for Desktop Engineering to do the same.
God I hate working with fucking morons.
On that note anyone in the Boston area looking for a job?
Sat Mar 30 15:20:44 2002
On that note anyone in the Boston area looking for a job?
AYB is looking for a job, but the commute from Wisconsin would be a royal bitch!
Sat Mar 30 16:24:40 2002
from Evil Merlin posted at 10:08 pm on Mar. 29, 2002
Hey it's ok, currently our Desktop Support team only offically supports Windows 95 on new computers. They get the new computer out of the box, reformat the 40+ gig drive to one 2.5 gig partition and install Windows 95 (regardless of what was shipped with the system), they won't even partition the rest of the disk or add OSR2.5.Mind you this is RIGHT now.
:nono: Egads. Big corps can be truly sloth-like when it comes to setting up systems. Good luck in your new role. ;)
A few (2-3) years ago, I was doing some contract work with a manufacturing company, and they were installing Win95 on all the boxes even though they were coming in with 98 or NT. I think about a year ago, they finally moved over fully to NT4. :rolleyes: