Thu Jan 3 07:05:55 2002

Oscar Wilde said:

???

then what is Wintel?

I don't know, is it anything like an AMD Athlon running Linux?  

Just because you can put your own pc together doesn't mean its less rigid. There are standards to adhere too.

It's a lot less rigid than whatever Apple decides to put together.  

And what of the fact that Microsoft actually has false errors if you use an app that competes with them?

Evidence, please.  

Neither platform is the epitome of good will. Each company will go out of there way to protect their market. Sometimes ethically, sometimes not.

Neither platform is the epitome of good will, but at least Microsoft doesn't pretend to be.  Microsoft has always been about promoting the best interests of Microsoft, and if that just happens to coincide with improving the user experience, then that's what they'll do.  Sure, marketing pastes a "feel-good" message on top of this, but it's very thin and easily seen through.   It's just marketing.

Apple, on the other hand, just piles on the bullshit higher and higher and higher, pretending to be something utterly transglorious, when in fact they are just an incompatible PC in a translucent box.  It's not just a marketing thing-- the attitude is pervasive through the entire company.  

Plus if what you mean by propriety as in tight integration of hardware and software, there as many advantages to it as there is disadvantages.

There are a few, but they are becoming less and less relevant as Windows continues to improve and plug and play does likewise.  You can buy a Compaq or Sony that's all set up for video editing and it will run just as nicely as a new G4 (although the Apple does have some nice video editing software)

What if Apple allowed clones once again, but this time took the extra step and actually allowed for complete open market as the pc's have? Would that make a difference to your distaste?

Neat idea, but it will never, ever happen.  Apple almost got killed by the clones the last time around, and Jobs will never, ever, allow it to happen again.  Besides, then you lose the whole "tight hardware integration" thing.

And why would it be a good thing if a competitor goes away. Then you're left with Microsoft not motivated to keep creating new features other then needing a source of revenue. Windows XP is a direct competition to OS X. Microsoft knows that OS X has the potential to unseat Windows. It reflects in the large number of pc users who want OS X but not the mac hardware. You'd be surprised that there are things that OS X surpasses Windows. Ironically, and this cracks me up, a lot of it via the 'terminal'.

Bah.  The terminal is just a standard Unix shell, you can get them for Linux, BSD, and even NT if you want.  It's nothing special.

More on this later...

Thu Jan 3 07:18:29 2002

Thu Jan 3 07:24:30 2002

Last night I had a cool dream where aliens were invading earth and the only way to beat them was to pilot these cool remote control planes and try to kill the operators of other remote control planes, plus their planes of course.  Plus you could jack into your plane and view the action from the plane's POV.

Um.. where was I again?

Oh yeah, Apple is a hype machine selling incompatible plastic PCs, run by marketdroids and headed by a cold-hearted charlatan.

Thu Jan 3 07:29:29 2002

I had a dream last night about moving into my new dorm room (next year).  

We spent two hours trying to decide where to put the couch, but everytime we measured, my dream mind messed up the measurements so we were having a really fucking hard time trying to figure out just how big the room actually was.

Then I dreamt my entire drive home, all two hours of it.  

Every time I woke up, I said to myself, "Dream about anything else: sex, drugs, Sturmoviks", but no.  The gripping drama of "Moving In Day" was all that was on my mind.

Thu Jan 3 07:30:39 2002

On the first couple of missions, I'm having problems getting altitude as quickly as my wingmen, and they pull away so fast.  I'm using the boost, why am I not climbing as quickly?

It might have to do with prop pitch?

I'm having a hard time reversing direction in an Auto-Man(remember him?) like fashion like the AI pulls.  It's got to be either cheating, or the perfect combo of speed, flaps, rudder, and Alieron.

Thu Jan 3 07:39:37 2002

It might have to do with prop pitch?

L:ike how high my throttle is?

Thu Jan 3 07:43:18 2002

And what of the fact that Microsoft actually has false errors if you use an app that competes with them?

I don't think this is an allegation that is true.  Kind of like the "secret hooks" in the API that MS has access to.

Microsoft owes it's position to perpetual marketshare.  The expense of Apple is what probably did it in.  That and the fact that IBM adopted DOS as it's platform.  Essentially, Microsoft rose to power on the back of IBM's good name.  Apple's stuff was better but MS made the all important alliance against the very entity that Apple sought to make a mockery of and destroy.

MS is guilty of shady deals by giving preference to certain vendors, but that's prolly the worst offense they've made.  Nutscrape was killed by the market.  Browsers shouldn't cost money.  The Java issue had some credence, but that wasn't that big of deal since you could always use Suns VM if you really wanted to.

Microsoft dominates the home computer OS market as its made some good decisions and has been putting out good product.  It's not perfect but it's real good.

MS dominates the Office Suite market because Wordperfect sucked big time.  MS made a better product and rose to popularity amidst a time where buisnesses were wanting to adopt such software and Word and the like was the best available at the time.  So buisnessess standardized on it and no one to my knowledge has even come close to what MS has made in the Office Productivity market.

MS's rise to dominanc was legitimate.

Thu Jan 3 07:45:28 2002

No, prop pitch is the angle of your prop blades.  I havent' messed with it much.

Thu Jan 3 07:54:53 2002

Apple's stuff was better but MS made the all important alliance against the very entity that Apple sought to make a mockery of and destroy.

Not only that, but Gates knew that Apple's stuff was better and in 1985 wrote a letter offering to help licence the MacOS to other companies to create a new standard.  Apple, being greedy and idiotic, and run by a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes, ignored the letter and went their own proprietary way.

Bill Gates had no choice but to try to duplicate the MacOS on the PC, which was made difficult because of many things:

1. Microsoft had no experience writing graphical OSes.
2. Apple tried to sue Microsoft's ass off for writing Windows.
3. The PC platform really wasn't strong or mature enough to run a MacOS clone (the 286 was a brain damaged chip, the 386 was just released, there was no plug and play, ISA ruled the roost, etc)

So there was Apple with arguably a 10 year head start, which they proceeded to completely squander, and were unable to improve the core of MacOS at all, finally purchasing NeXT's warmed over BSD/Mach out of desparation.

And there we are.

Thu Jan 3 11:39:01 2002

i think i'll start my own forum somewhere else to bitch about OSY members behind their backs... oh wait i could do that at ars...

meh do i care what you fucking think jeremy.

NO!

I have my opinions which i guess are based more on the fact that I actually use both platforms on a daily basis with no problems.

I'm not the one who can't use a specific platform and then saying the other one sucks.

so you see, as long as I can have fun and enjoy any platform I come across and actually get things to work, i think i'm doing the right thing.

If on the other hand a pc user has problems with the mac, the pc user is a fucktard who's opinions don't count.

if on the other hand a mac user has problems with a pc then the mac user is a fucktard who's opinions don't count either.

see what i mean.

and my point is i simply don't care to argue about this. It never ends. And as long as i'm having a good time, does it even matter what the nay sayers think?

speaking of dreams i had a very disturbing dream that kinda put me of center. so i'm just gonna chill and try to shake it off. It suck having an extremely realistic dream where you kill your self and wake up just before you die but still have the feelings for killing your self in your dream. :(
so if you don't hear from me for a while, its just me trying to sort things out.

Thu Jan 3 13:10:41 2002

and run by a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes

:( :( :( :( :(

Rest in peace, Douglas Adams.

Thu Jan 3 19:10:40 2002

speaking of dreams i had a very disturbing dream that kinda put me of center. so i'm just gonna chill and try to shake it off. It suck having an extremely realistic dream where you kill your self and wake up just before you die but still have the feelings for killing your self in your dream.  
so if you don't hear from me for a while, its just me trying to sort things out.

I have had similar dreams, except I'm a killer rather than a suicidal.  I wake up with the bloodlust still in my head.  And when I do that coupled with low blood sugar, it has on occasion developed into a strange psychosis :(

BTW, are you jaded again?

Thu Jan 3 19:41:52 2002

from OscarWilde posted at 6:39 am on Jan. 3, 2002


I have my opinions which i guess are based more on the fact that I actually use both platforms on a daily basis with no problems.

Heh, more power to you.  However, it appears that some of your opinions are based on misinformation, so....

Fri Jan 4 01:38:23 2002

besides i was just throwing a quick example out there so fuck if i know if its true or not. I don't buy that msoft is this "ETHICAL" company (fuck grammar) that to many of you peeps put them to be.

Besides, its funny to see Jeremy get so pro-active in this whole pc vs. mac argument by even starting a seperate thread. Obviously this is something you feel strong about Jeremy.

Seriously though, i honestly don't care because in all seriousness I'm too cool and hip.

Where as "you guys are so unhip i'm surprised your bum hasn't hit the floor yet." (Douglas Adams, THGTTG)

:tongue:

AYB, nah i'm fine. Just had a dream where the instant my head hit the ground (i jumped from my 10th storey apt) someone had slammed a door shut at the same time at home. So i woke rather violently with the image of the ground rushing up and the door slamming which made things a tad more realistic then it should have been. Other then actually have commiting suicide that is.

but me is okay none the less.

(Edited by OscarWilde at 8:40 am on Jan. 4, 2002)

Fri Jan 4 01:43:04 2002

I don't know, is it anything like an AMD Athlon running Linux?  

I wouldn't call it Wintel. I would call it linux running an athalon. I would call windows running on top of AMD wintel though. Windows + Intel standards (such as the x86 ISA).
But i see what you mean.

But i'm rght and you're wrong simply because i'm cool and hip.

I think we've been over this already...

Fri Jan 4 01:51:14 2002

Besides, its funny to see Jeremy get so pro-active in this whole pc vs. mac argument by even starting a seperate thread. Obviously this is something you feel strong about Jeremy.

Actually, I think he did this mostly as the previous thread actually started out as AYB's the Literary's mad rant about airplanes and stuff.  I jested that my that my thread had been hijacked (not that I minded, I was merely basking in the chaos that is OSY) So I think Jeremy did it more because of that :)

Fri Jan 4 02:17:02 2002

from OscarWilde posted at 8:38 pm on Jan. 3, 2002


Besides, its funny to see Jeremy get so pro-active in this whole pc vs. mac argument by even starting a seperate thread. Obviously this is something you feel strong about Jeremy.

He feels so strongly, in fact, he started his own site, remember?

Fri Jan 4 06:27:09 2002

Fri Jan 4 07:03:31 2002

He did? and where is this site pray tell?

Beats me.  

Fri Jan 4 07:04:48 2002

Fri Jan 4 07:23:42 2002

He did? and where is this site pray tell?

now yer just being poopy :tongue:;)

Fri Jan 4 07:32:24 2002

Fri Jan 4 07:41:23 2002

besides i was just throwing a quick example out there so fuck if i know if its true or not. I don't buy that msoft is this "ETHICAL" company (fuck grammar) that to many of you peeps put them to be.

I don't think Microsoft is ethical.  I don't think any company is ethical, to be honest.  The goal of a company in a capitalistic society is to become a monopoly and strangle your competitors by selling products and services at as much of a profit as possible, using any means necessary.

Microsoft is just really, really good at this.  Apple wishes they could be good at this, but they were only really good at it with the Apple ][, which Steve Jobs promptly tried to kill because it was Woz's and not his.  

Ethics and capitalism are incompatible.  I thought everyone knew this.  And no, I don't advocate abandoning capitalism, as it channels human greed and avarice away from killing, raping and pillaging and into mass production of shiny objects, which overall is a good thing for humanity.  If we're all slaves to consumerism we have no energy left to fight wars with each other (except when we do, but the system still has bugs to work out)

Besides, its funny to see Jeremy get so pro-active in this whole pc vs. mac argument by even starting a seperate thread. Obviously this is something you feel strong about Jeremy.

Obviously, or I wouldn't have made operating systems and computers the main focus of my own discussion board.  I've always been passionate about computers and operating systems.  I have no idea why-- it's slightly embarrassing, a total geek obsession that I'm kind of ashamed of.  But there you are.

Seriously though, i honestly don't care because in all seriousness I'm too cool and hip.

I wish I could be cool and hip, but I can't.

At least I know where my towel is.

Fri Jan 4 07:47:07 2002

Fri Jan 4 08:01:03 2002

If we're all slaves to consumerism we have no energy left to fight wars with each other (except when we do, but the system still has bugs to work out)

Yeah, like when we have a war so that people are too scared to go to malls and purchase things.  

Well, at least it's a direct relationship.

Hurm, except for how WW2 invigorated our economy and got us out of the depression, no?

OH, but wait!  This is no ordinary war like the ones we've fought before.  This is a war on... [u]terror![/u]

:rolleyes:

I'm all about consumerism though.  Give me all the pop drivel MTV can spoonfeed me.  

I know, you probably think I'm kidding.  I'm not.

How can you not want to unf Britney Spears' leg?  Or Jamie Lynn Sigler?  Or that vixen Jessica Simpson.  Unf.

Did I mention I know Kirsten Dunst's AOL screen name? 

Fri Jan 4 09:39:03 2002

Did I mention I know Kirsten Dunst's AOL screen name?

What is it!  Tell me quickly lest heart stoppeth!

Fri Jan 4 13:43:37 2002

Did I mention I know Kirsten Dunst's AOL screen name?

What is it!  Tell me quickly lest heart stoppeth!

You know, the fact that she has an AOL screen name kind of dissapoints me, brings her down a couple notches you might say.

.

.

.

.

But I'd still do 'er ;)

Fri Jan 4 19:48:25 2002

You know, the fact that she has an AOL screen name kind of dissapoints me, brings her down a couple notches you might say.

I also have the root password on her Beowulf cluster.  

Better?

What more would you expect from an average teenage girl?

Fri Jan 4 19:53:03 2002

What more would you expect from an average teenage girl?

Define the country.

Fri Jan 4 20:19:46 2002

No, I'm kidding.  You're Austrian, right?

Like Roland Ertl.  Fat Roland Ertl.

Sat Jan 5 15:33:43 2002

Sat Jan 5 19:13:04 2002

There are a few, but they are becoming less and less relevant as Windows continues to improve and plug and play does likewise.  You can buy a Compaq or Sony that's all set up for video editing and it will run just as nicely as a new G4 (although the Apple does have some nice video editing software)

*Boggle* The degree to which you affirm that Wintel plug n' play/integration is similar to Mac is truly frightening. I'd respond, but I'm having a hard time getting my nVidia TNT 2 drivers to "play nice" with my Madden 2001, which is stuttering like a witch.

Maybe later...

Mad.

Sat Jan 5 20:04:33 2002

but I'm having a hard time getting my nVidia TNT 2 drivers to "play nice" with my Madden 2001, which is stuttering like a witch.

Madan, I don't mean to ask stupid questions, but:

Is your computer reasonably equipped for the game?
Posted req.'s =|= Realistic req.'s

Sat Jan 5 22:52:09 2002

from Madan posted at 2:13 pm on Jan. 5, 2002

I'm having a hard time getting my nVidia TNT 2 drivers to "play nice" with my Madden 2001, which is stuttering like a witch.

Jeremy can tell us.  EA sucks.

Sun Jan 6 06:53:51 2002

EA sucks.

They do, actually.  And Madan, your experience is by no means unique to the PC.  There have been plenty of threads in Mac Ach about games running problematically, especially in OSX.

Sun Jan 6 07:31:51 2002

Sun Jan 6 16:20:34 2002

Moreover, my iFruit, which is a 440 64mb ATI 16mb machine.

Let's see. On my PC I've had problems with:
Baldur's Gate II(I posted problems here)
Problems with stuttering on Madden
Problems with glitches in Diablo
Problems with Q3A

On my Mac, I've run *all* of the above games(same for Madden) withOUT any new driver additions and withOUT any problems.

But thanks for playing.

M.

Sun Jan 6 18:10:58 2002

128mb

Ugggh...only 128MB of RAM in the previous price climate? There's your problem. Also, the fact that it's a Compaq and they couldn't set up a computer if their lives depended on it, bears lots of the blame. Buy more RAM, wipe the HD; reinstall Windows and the software but if there is anything from Norton, leave it off. Norton stuff sucks ass as well.

And the other games you listed are pretty buggy as well.

I would say your machine is suffering from hardware deficiency and Compaq-ism; NOT Windows.

Sun Jan 6 18:11:07 2002

Sun Jan 6 18:55:18 2002

TNT2 32mb

Plain ol' vanilla tnt2 or shitty and utter retarted tnt2 m64?

Sun Jan 6 19:32:09 2002

Plain ol' vanilla tnt2 or shitty and utter retarted tnt2 m64?

Knowing Compaq (unfortunately), I'd lay 95-5 percentages that it's the latter; minimum. Good thought, Riso.

Mon Jan 7 03:30:09 2002

Maybe it's the Joe Ragosta syndrome, where an irrational hatred of PCs causes every PC experience you have to be much worse than everyone else in the world?  :)

But as I said, this is by no means a PC-only problem.  Check this out:

http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=8300945231&m=3500900243

ouch!

Mon Jan 7 03:53:11 2002

I hereby offer my services to build you a GOOD computer.  We can discuss your specific needs or preferences, and set a price.  You send me the cash and I'll build it, test it, and ship it to you.

My guarantee: It won't have shitty components.

If I have the specific games you're having problems with (or if you wanna send me your CDs), I'll even install/test them and make sure they work AS EXPECTED.

Don't blame your problems on Windows or drivers if your only direct experience is in using a Compaq desktop computer.  I wouldn't even recommend those to my relatives that I don't like. ;)

Mon Jan 7 03:54:52 2002

Mon Jan 7 20:22:59 2002

Something sounds suspicious, Madan, about your PC being that bad on that many games.  When I worked for EA we tested NBA 2001 and Need for Speed 5 on 300-700MHz machines with TNT2 class video cards (and ATIs, and all kinds of other crap) and they worked fine.  

Maybe it's the Joe Ragosta syndrome, where an irrational hatred of PCs causes every PC experience you have to be much worse than everyone else in the world?  

Yes, Jeremy, that's it. I spend 40 bucks on my BGII, another 30 on my ToB. 10 on Madden. 10 on Diablo. Along with others and, guess what? I *want* them to fail... :rolleyes:

Please. It's not my fault that the OS gets hosed by a faulty driver. And that *is* the problem.

Madan,

I hereby offer my services to build you a GOOD computer.  We can discuss your specific needs or preferences, and set a price.  You send me the cash and I'll build it, test it, and ship it to you.

My guarantee: It won't have shitty components.

While I appreciate the effort Har,

A. I *have* a computer and the Compaq cost me plenty.
B. If I did have spare dough, I'd get myself a new iDew so I can play with OSX. I wouldn't buy myself another Wintel box.
C. Judging from driver-comments like the prior, by AYB, and my own experiences, the machine *would* perform better but would still have trouble, due to an inability to update drivers.

Don't blame your problems on Windows or drivers if your only direct experience is in using a Compaq desktop computer.  I wouldn't even recommend those to my relatives that I don't like.  

I'm not. I've also had problems with my drivers on my Dell at work and the HPs we bought at school are reacting adversely to Flash.

Do those count? Or are you going to discount EVERY OEM and count hand-made as the only option?

M.

Mon Jan 7 20:36:01 2002

Mon Jan 7 21:17:20 2002

Isn't there some internet sharing thingy in OSX you could run on your iFruit so that you could get your 'paq connected through a LAN?

Mon Jan 7 21:20:06 2002

1 This ass-tacular 3dfx banshee card. This thing hard locks NT 4 at LEAST once or twice a day. I find this to be a pain in the ass.

2 IE 6 is seriously fucked. I can't open links in new windows properly. (i.e. I click "Open in new window" and then I have to hit Esc to stop it, tab to go to the Address bar, and Enter to make it actually go there....) and the Find in Page thing doesn't work either. It also brings up the Microsoft Machine Debugger quite a lot anymore. That sucks.

In short: This box blows. It's an OEM too. (Gateway) :biggrin: My sweet athlon rigs at home has no such problems. I wish there was cash in the budget for a new box for me :(

Mon Jan 7 21:22:01 2002

My 'Paq never even brought a modem.

M.

Mon Jan 7 23:11:17 2002

I would, but I'm on dialup right now.

Mon Jan 7 23:17:06 2002

Thanks but...

A. I don't know which I need, so I just got teh new nVidia.

B. I dled them at work.

M.

Tue Jan 8 00:44:36 2002

Tue Jan 8 02:25:21 2002

I'm not. I've also had problems with my drivers on my Dell at work and the HPs we bought at school are reacting adversely to Flash.

Do those count? Or are you going to discount EVERY OEM and count hand-made as the only option?

No, but you're jumping to conclusions and trying to put words into my mouth.  Please don't do that.

I thought it was generally well-known that Compaq home desktop computers are regarded as the "Packard Bell" of the current computer landscape.  I mean, I'd recommend an Emachines over a Compaq for home use.

I can't comment on your issues with your work's Dell or the HPs -- though the latter sounds more like a brower issue than anything else.

To each his own.  Mine is currently an Athlon 1600+ on an MSI K7T266 Pro2 (6xUSB2, IDE RAID) running XP Pro.  This thing has not given me a lick of problems for the month that it's been in use (on 24/7), even in the face of all the games and apps that I've installed.  Driver issues?  I installed the latest legit WHQL nvidia Detonators and haven't had ONE graphics problems.  Blew through BG1 and started BG2 with my imported character.  :biggrin:

Tue Jan 8 03:16:31 2002

Please. It's not my fault that the OS gets hosed by a faulty driver. And that *is* the problem.

Well, to coin a phrase, duh.

Please let me know when you find a personal computer OS that doesn't get hosed by a faulty driver, and I'll give you a cookie.  :rolleyes:

Tue Jan 8 10:35:59 2002

from Jeremy Reimer posted at 9:16 pm on Jan. 7, 2002

Please. It's not my fault that the OS gets hosed by a faulty driver. And that *is* the problem.

Well, to coin a phrase, duh.

Please let me know when you find a personal computer OS that doesn't get hosed by a faulty driver, and I'll give you a cookie.  :rolleyes:

I believe studly OS would rewrite the driver to make it not crash. At least it can with applications, so I assume it can with drivers as well.

Where is my cookie, bitch?

Tue Jan 8 11:32:30 2002

Tue Jan 8 17:45:14 2002

So yeah, that was a mistake on my part.  ;)

Tue Jan 8 20:57:59 2002

You know, the one that had a *DOCK* that looked like a used condom? ;)

M.

Tue Jan 8 21:05:35 2002

ROFL!

M.

Tue Jan 8 21:12:54 2002

I thought it was generally well-known that Compaq home desktop computers are regarded as the "Packard Bell" of the current computer landscape.  I mean, I'd recommend an Emachines over a Compaq for home use.

WHAT???@ !

Har, how many times do I have to tell you that the "mushrooms growing in your back yard can NOT be cheap alternatives to those you buy as a topping for a pizza!?"

To each his own.  Mine is currently an Athlon 1600+ on an MSI K7T266 Pro2 (6xUSB2, IDE RAID) running XP Pro.  This thing has not given me a lick of problems for the month that it's been in use (on 24/7), even in the face of all the games and apps that I've installed.  Driver issues?  I installed the latest legit WHQL nvidia Detonators and haven't had ONE graphics problems.  Blew through BG1 and started BG2 with my imported character.  

Uhm, when did I mention XP? I kinda like XP. My only problems with XP are:

http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=48409524&m=2380990633&r=8300987733#8300987733

But, I have, to be honest, have had driver issues on XP too.

M.

Tue Jan 8 23:18:26 2002

WHAT???@ !

Har, how many times do I have to tell you that the "mushrooms growing in your back yard can NOT be cheap alternatives to those you buy as a topping for a pizza!?"

Erm, if I knew what sense that made in relation to the context of this thread, I'd offer a suitable reply.

Uhm, when did I mention XP?

Uhm, you didn't; I just mentioned that I've installed it on my new box and have been using it as my only OS.

I kinda like XP.

Great.  I never said nor implied that you didn't.  I don't know why you're bringing things up like this.  It's like you're reading things into the posts that aren't there; that's not necessary.  Please don't go back to your old thin-skinned, paranoid ways.  We kinda like the way you've matured.

Tue Jan 8 23:55:54 2002

Quote: Uhm, when did I mention XP?  

Uhm, you didn't; I just mentioned that I've installed it on my new box and have been using it as my only OS.

And how does that pertain to my problems with Win 9x problems with drivers? Besides, I've indicated that I had problems(minor ones) wi XP.

Quote: I kinda like XP.

Great.  I never said nor implied that you didn't.  I don't know why you're bringing things up like this.  It's like you're reading things into the posts that aren't there; that's not necessary.  Please don't go back to your old thin-skinned, paranoid ways.  We kinda like the way you've matured.

A. I wasn't being hostile, paranoid, thin-skinned..etc at all. I don't know where you got that.

B. The general consensus on BF is : "if it doesn't happen to me, it can't happen..."

C. I was actually kidding with you. I'm sorry you took the mushroom crack literally.

D. Despite my rantings, I've never been half as immature as you suggest. I've always been hella fair to MS. I've never accused them like a true Macalot would *and* I've always praised MS for what it does well, and what Mac does poorly. This isn't new. This has been so, since I started BF over a year ago.

Everyone matures but that comment was inaccurate to say the least.

I have a db crash to salvage.

L8ters,

Mad.

(Edited by Madan at 3:58 pm on Jan. 8, 2002)

(Edited by Madan at 4:00 pm on Jan. 8, 2002)

Wed Jan 9 20:49:53 2002

from Madan posted at 6:55 pm on Jan. 8, 2002

Quote: Uhm, when did I mention XP?  

Uhm, you didn't; I just mentioned that I've installed it on my new box and have been using it as my only OS.

And how does that pertain to my problems with Win 9x problems with drivers? Besides, I've indicated that I had problems(minor ones) wi XP.

It doesn't pertain to your problems with 9x drivers, and I don't know why you brought it up to begin with.  I just mentioned 'XP' in my system description, which in and of itself was not an "answer" to your 9x driver problems.

A. I wasn't being hostile, paranoid, thin-skinned..etc at all. I don't know where you got that.

By the tone of your responses, which I will admit is based on pasts posts of yours.

B. The general consensus on BF is : "if it doesn't happen to me, it can't happen..."

Yeah, OK.  Happens on both sides.  But just FYI, I didn't claim nor intend to claim that in my original response, so it just gets me wondering why you mention this here.

C. I was actually kidding with you. I'm sorry you took the mushroom crack literally.

I could only take it 'literally' because it appeared so far off-base that I wondered if you were typing it into the right post. ;)

D. Despite my rantings, I've never been half as immature as you suggest. I've always been hella fair to MS. I've never accused them like a true Macalot would *and* I've always praised MS for what it does well, and what Mac does poorly. This isn't new. This has been so, since I started BF over a year ago.

I have never claimed or intimated that you are not giving MS a fair shake.  My comment on maturity dates back to your original postings on Ars when you were... well, hotheaded, let's say.

Everyone matures but that comment was inaccurate to say the least.

Perhaps, if taken out of context (and it seems to have been).

I have a db crash to salvage.

Good luck.  I have a phone system to set up, DSL to order, and some grocery shopping when it's all done. ;)