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Put this in your pipe and smoke it.

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Fri Nov 30 03:36:39 2001

I will get one of these soon enough for my BX6 r2

[url]http://www.powerleap.com/Products/iP3T.htm[/url]

pauli

Fri Nov 30 08:12:55 2001

if i can get my p2b-ds working at 133fsb, then i will, in time, get a pair of p3-s's. oh yes, i will.

and my sister will probably end up with a c1.2 in her p3b-f. with luck, it'll hit 1600.

DuffMan

Fri Nov 30 08:54:43 2001

I almost got that instead of my Athlon system. I think a BX board, and a celeron 1200 @ 1600 or so would be fairly competitive and I wouldn't have had to buy new memory. It's really the fact that you were selling that memory so cheaped that turned me.
Death to Apple

Fri Nov 30 12:47:45 2001

The BX rules.
AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Fri Nov 30 16:10:16 2001

It's really the fact that you were selling that memory so cheaped that turned me

That's cause I'm a cheap whore. :)

DrPizza

Fri Nov 30 17:32:42 2001

So, does that let you use RDRAM or DDR?  Does it give you multiple memory channels?  Does it give you AGP Pro or 4x?  PCI64?  Ultra-ATA 66/100/133?  Better than 2-way SMP?

What's that you say?

No it doesn't?

Then the 440BX remains obsolete.

pauli

Fri Nov 30 17:42:29 2001

So, does that let you use RDRAM or DDR?  Does it give you multiple memory channels?  Does it give you AGP Pro or 4x?  PCI64? Ultra-ATA 66/100/133?  Better than 2-way SMP?

nope... and the best part is, it doesn't have to :p

Riso

Fri Nov 30 19:05:59 2001

I want a chipset that does DDR+SD, PCI 64/33+66, USB2, Firewire, AGP super-l33t-new-incarnation and 4way cpu support for AMD which includes N+S bridge on a single chip.
DuffMan

Fri Nov 30 19:57:03 2001

from DrPizza posted at 11:32 am on Nov. 30, 2001

So, does that let you use RDRAM or DDR?  

No but all current DDR and RDRAM solutions for the P3 are slower than a BX at 133mhz in most benchmarks.

Does it give you multiple memory channels?

Many chipsets that are not "obsolete" don't have multiple memory channels. They provide very little actual benefit.

Does it give you AGP Pro or 4x?  PCI64?

Do you have any devices where that would make a difference? I know I don't and neither do the vast majority of computer buyers.
Ultra-ATA 66/100/133?

So an ultra 66 card is like what? 10 bucks. Some of them have the cards built in. I like to run each device on it's own channel anyway, so I just use the ata33 for the cdroms.
Better than 2-way SMP?

At this point it's really a budget solution, and we're lucky it even has two-way. There are plenty of modern chipsets that don't support more than 2-way.


What's that you say?

No it doesn't?

Then the 440BX remains obsolete.


No, not to the vast majority of computer users.
AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Fri Nov 30 20:27:08 2001

I think Pizza had that outburst due to the excitement of the arrival of his ibm.

That think outclasses any Apple notebook by at least a whole generation!

but yes, the BX still rools, and with enough ram will run XP just fine.

DrPizza

Sat Dec 1 01:31:17 2001

No but all current DDR and RDRAM solutions for the P3 are slower than a BX at 133mhz in most benchmarks.

The only good reason to buy a PIII is for a portable.  For a desktop, there's no point.


Many chipsets that are not "obsolete" don't have multiple memory channels. They provide very little actual benefit.

Bzzt, incorrect, on good motherboards they provide plenty of benefit.  Just the PIII is so limited by its bus that it would be wasted on it.

Do you have any devices where that would make a difference? I know I don't and neither do the vast majority of computer buyers.

Again, there's no point in buying anything nowadays that doesn't take advantage of it.  And there's this little thing called "upgrading later".  440BX is not a solution with any significant life left in it.

So an ultra 66 card is like what? 10 bucks. Some of them have the cards built in. I like to run each device on it's own channel anyway, so I just use the ata33 for the cdroms.

I dunno about you, but I haven't any room for further cards.  

At this point it's really a budget solution, and we're lucky it even has two-way. There are plenty of modern chipsets that don't support more than 2-way.

And they suck because of that.

No, not to the vast majority of computer users.

Yes, it does.  It is outmoded, outdated, and outclassed.  Its design is no longer current.  That makes it obsolete.  The "vast majority of computer users" has no bearing on that.
DrPizza

Sat Dec 1 01:33:12 2001

nope... and the best part is, it doesn't have to :p

What?

There's some way of solving its horrible memory throughput and its limited expansion capabilities without adding those things?

News to me.

News to Intel, too.

And, yes, it does need them fixed.

DuffMan

Sat Dec 1 08:59:26 2001

Oh so what would be a better platform to run? The P4 with its shitty performance, or Athlon with chipset driver conflicts galore.