Tue Oct 23 19:32:07 2001
It will be very different from what I'd originally envisioned.
No timeline on the actual writing.
Tue Oct 23 19:33:26 2001
However the value of that information is probably questionable.
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Tue Oct 23 20:41:21 2001
On your site or what?
M.
Tue Oct 23 20:47:27 2001
And I no longer have a website; I took it down and deleted my FreeServers account. I got bored of it, and decided I have no real need of a website anyway.
Tue Oct 23 21:00:39 2001
Great. :)
M.
Tue Oct 23 21:06:38 2001
You're only perpetuating someone ELSE's creations.
M.
Tue Oct 23 21:07:42 2001
Tue Oct 23 23:22:04 2001
Tue Oct 23 23:25:28 2001
IG, you should write your own BOOK. Lay off the FF.
If I ever get an idea for an original novel I'll give it a go; but so far I am uninspired.
And some of the best things I've ever read have been fanfic. Truth be told, some of the better fanfics I've read have been superior to the "classics" I've had to read for years for stupid and inane literature courses.
'Fanfiction :: bad writing' does not necessarily compute, Madan. Please don't perpetuate that lie.
Tue Oct 23 23:29:37 2001
"Imitation Gruel's Illustrated Book of Avatars, Signatures, and Taglines"
-by Mystic Grey
Tue Oct 23 23:35:16 2001
"Imitation Gruel's Illustrated Book of Avatars, Signatures, and Taglines"
-by Mystic Grey
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Truly, AYB, you are a card.
The three of clubs to be specific. :biggrin:
Wed Oct 24 20:33:10 2001
If I ever get an idea for an original novel I'll give it a go; but so far I am uninspired.
And some of the best things I've ever read have been fanfic. Truth be told, some of the better fanfics I've read have been superior to the "classics" I've had to read for years for stupid and inane literature courses.
'Fanfiction :: bad writing' does not necessarily compute, Madan. Please don't perpetuate that lie.
Uhm, exactly where did I say "Fanfics stink"?
I didn't. What I did mean, however, is that you're essentially imposing your own preferences, opinions and desires on the creation of another entity.
To me, that seems unproductive. Fanfics are very unknown in normal society precisely for that reason. They aren't *real* copies of the works you've built upon.
If you want me to get nasty however, I *will* say that I've read plenty of fanfics, dozens really, and I've *never* read one that I considered to be more than an amateurish fantasy.
While I'm not saying that composing a good Fanfic is impossible, it is far more difficult because:
A. It's for free. Noone pays you. Liability #1
B. It's using someone else's creation and is not canon in the author's scheme of things. Liability #2
C. Most Fanfics are quite cheesy and transparent in that you can either 1. Discover the theme and plot instantly OR 2. See a personal interest in one specific group of characters OR 3. The style is weak or the actual lines given to the characters don't match its.....character.
I'm simply telling you, if you're as good as you say you are, it would behoove you to write your own book and, while I can't promise the stars, I can say that I would buy it if you did.
M.
Wed Oct 24 23:24:59 2001
1. I'm not in this for money; I'm doing this because I like writing, and because I have an idea for what I think is a good story.
2. Fanfic does not necessarily take place in the same universe as the original storyline. Anyone who's read Nora Jemison's Mirai Trunks stories knows that these are vastly different from DB canon -- because they elucidate his world after he destroys the jinzouningen and Cell; and in DB canon, after he does this, his world is NEVER seen again. But even though it's fanfic, it's still writing that is of unbelievably good quality.
3. I don't recall ever saying I was a good writer. Being a good writer is a dream I have, and I would absolutely kill to be as good a writer as the aforementioned M(r)s. Jemison, but I'm not, and I realize it isn't going to happen.
To me this seems unproductive.
It's not about productivity, it's about imagination. The really good fanfics that I like, which I can point you to if you wish, are really good stories, that the authors have written because they A) had the inspiration and B) enjoyed writing.
That's all this is about for me: personal enjoyment and self-gratification.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Wed Oct 24 23:37:06 2001
Thu Oct 25 20:02:28 2001
Madan: You make good points, but you're assuming too much, and your assumptions are coming up wrong.
I haven't assumed anything. Everything I've said is fact.
Fanfics are not paid and they are not as popular as canon works. Moreso, you're utilizing someone else's intellectual property.
Nothing here is an assumption.
An assumption is you indicating I said something I obviously didn't.
2. Fanfic does not necessarily take place in the same universe as the original storyline. Anyone who's read Nora Jemison's Mirai Trunks stories knows that these are vastly different from DB canon -- because they elucidate his world after he destroys the jinzouningen and Cell; and in DB canon, after he does this, his world is NEVER seen again. But even though it's fanfic, it's still writing that is of unbelievably good quality.
A. I hate DB.
B. I have no idea what you're talking about.
C. It has *some* connection to an existing intellectual property and is, therfore, not yours or any other fanfic author's. Technically, depending on how the fanfic is released, it could be illegal. While using it as writing practice certainly is not, offering it on a web site that mandates membership *would* be.
3. I don't recall ever saying I was a good writer. Being a good writer is a dream I have, and I would absolutely kill to be as good a writer as the aforementioned M(r)s. Jemison, but I'm not, and I realize it isn't going to happen.
:rolleyes:
Quote: To me this seems unproductive.It's not about productivity, it's about imagination. The really good fanfics that I like, which I can point you to if you wish, are really good stories, that the authors have written because they A) had the inspiration and B) enjoyed writing.
Nothing more, nothing less.
What you mention of productivity is not applicable since it's a noun, however, productivity is a factor that applies even to imagination.
I don't want to debate that, however.
It's your business. Waste your time if you like.
I was simply making a suggestion. Something you should understand is a completely different animal than an assumption.
M.
Fri Oct 26 00:40:29 2001
(Edited by Imitation Gruel at 5:42 pm on Oct. 25, 2001)
Fri Oct 26 01:48:06 2001
I know a few people that study english lit as their major, i have two friends that are now studying english lit as a master.
This is what I think:
:rolleyes:
I think its fun studying and analysing literature, probably because I'm good at it too. :biggrin:
However I REALLY don't like their attitude of what a "good" piece of literature has to be. To often its the length of the book + the complexities of the word + the name and period of the author.
At one time these "classic" books were considered "trash novels" in their time. Or even not worthy of reading.
Then over time the books become popular later on, sometimes because of the 'colorful' lives an author has led or because some well known literature critiqe says the book is good.
The same applies to all forms of art, the most obvious being music.
Heh! My writing was (and probably still is) so impressive that I was asked to publish my works. One of my english professors at college compared me to Herman Hesse. :eek:
My other english professor completely loved my writing so much and even wrote me a little letter saying that I "have a phenomenal talent" in writing. She convinced me to get my writings published. I tried but the places I submited my work to disagreed with what the many professors and friends had to say about my work.
I don't want to get involved in this thread but I did want to say something because writing (well all art) is very very dear to me. Not only as a writer but as a reader too. However I stopped writing. First of all writing takes a lot out of a person (depending on how serious you take your writing), and second I just can't write a piece of work that I consider as incredible and beautiful as the ones I've had my hands upon. If I could write like Oscar Wilde I would be set.
And off course after reading Douglas Adam's "Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy" the last nail in the coffin of my writing career was set. What a lovely imagination Douglas Adams had. So lucious and vivid.
Unfortunately I can guess that many of my peers who have studied english lit. will probably 'poo poo' on Douglas Adams works as immature and childish regardless of the fact that the essence of literature has always been about the world the child lives in and we as grownups have forgotten about.
In the begining there was the 'word' and the first word was 'god'.
(Edited by OscarWilde at 9:53 am on Oct. 26, 2001)
Fri Oct 26 02:01:18 2001
Fri Oct 26 03:39:11 2001
The writer's own enjoyment is the key.
Fri Oct 26 08:05:13 2001
Fri Oct 26 15:06:38 2001
AYB, you should write a book called "The Adventures of Poopy-Head." It will be bigger than harry potter.
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