I am a writer, developer, futurist, and one-half of the Knotty Geeks podcast.
Interests: Astronomy, newLISP, Science Fiction.
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| Riso | Posted on: Thu May 3 14:44:45 2012 | |
Joined: Fri Jan 21 04:43:46 2011 | We know the F35 is not even in production to be a disaster, but look at the latest F22 problems: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-fighter-pilots-20120502,0,1192307.story Some of the nation’s top aviators are refusing to fly the radar-evading F-22 Raptor, a fighter jet with ongoing problems with the oxygen systems that have plagued the fleet for four years. | |
| Jeremy Reimer | Posted on: Thu May 3 14:53:48 2012 | |
Joined: Fri Nov 19 10:21:20 2010 | I don’t blame the pilots for not wanting to fly the F22. Oxygen deprivation and carbon monoxide poisoning can cause permanent brain damage. | |
| AllYorBaseRBelong2Us | Posted on: Thu May 3 21:36:10 2012 | |
Joined: Sun Dec 5 06:23:12 2010 | How can that not be solvable? | |
| Riso | Posted on: Tue May 8 04:53:30 2012 | |
Joined: Fri Jan 21 04:43:46 2011 | I don’t know if non-Goons can read this at the moment, buthttp://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3483296 lists all the issues Canada has with the F-35. | |
| Jeremy Reimer | Posted on: Tue May 8 13:49:16 2012 | |
Joined: Fri Nov 19 10:21:20 2010 | It’s a good thread (I was able to read it) and it sums up all the basic problems. To me, a more worrying problem seems to be that the cost of designing and building modern fighters seems to be increasing faster than the ability of nations to pay for them. The F-22 was finally killed due to cost overruns and the F-35, despite being politically unkillable, is going to have its production delayed and then scaled back. This was never a problem in the days of the F-16 and F-18. Nations just figured out how many they needed and bought them. It wasn’t a big deal. To me, the whole point of technology is that it gets cheaper and better. If it only gets more expensive and you get less and less of it, why are we even bothering? How the hell are we supposed to get our flying cars at this rate? | |
| AllYorBaseRBelong2Us | Posted on: Thu May 17 01:50:20 2012 | |
Joined: Sun Dec 5 06:23:12 2010 | "It’s a good thread (I was able to read it) and it sums up all the basic problems. To me, a more worrying problem seems to be that the cost of designing and building modern fighters seems to be increasing faster than the ability of nations to pay for them." Wait until we have to defend our satelites. Suborbital Scramjets are silly expensive, except for AYB. The F-22 was finally killed due to cost overruns and the F-35, despite being politically unkillable, is going to have its production delayed and then scaled back. The F-22’s costs were by then well known when it was cut. I attribute it’s termination based more off ideals and vision rather than just plain affordabilty. "This was never a problem in the days of the F-16 and F-18. Nations just figured out how many they needed and bought them. It wasn’t a big deal." Yeah, and it’ll only get worse. It used to be that warplanes were built by enterprising bicycle repairmen. "To me, the whole point of technology is that it gets cheaper and better. If it only gets more expensive and you get less and less of it, why are we even bothering? How the hell are we supposed to get our flying cars at this rate? " There is some truth to that. Considering that the F22 is multple times as effective as an F15 in a lot of projectable roles, it could actually indeed be cheaper. | |
| AllYorBaseRBelong2Us | Posted on: Thu May 17 01:51:13 2012 | |
Joined: Sun Dec 5 06:23:12 2010 | Wait until we have to defend space from satelite hunting scramjets. that will be ridiculously expensive on both ends!! | |
| AllYorBaseRBelong2Us | Posted on: Thu May 17 01:52:07 2012 | |
Joined: Sun Dec 5 06:23:12 2010 | we will be talking about 10 billion dollar scramjets, not accounting for inflation. | |
| Riso | Posted on: Thu May 17 01:54:53 2012 | |
Joined: Fri Jan 21 04:43:46 2011 | 10 billion $ scramjets destroyed by 10 million $ missiles. Woo! | |