Tue Jun 11 06:54:05 2002

have you tried it? whats your opinion on it?
and how does windows xp cleartype compare if you have tried it that as well? I want your opinions because you're a lot more objective.

off course now i must ask, how does one enable cleartype in XP? i want to try on my friends workstation. Plus does win2k have AA? and how do i enable that?

Tue Jun 11 10:46:12 2002

And no, cleartype is not available under 2k.

Tue Jun 11 11:27:15 2002

Mind you this is just my opinion.

Tue Jun 11 12:09:56 2002

i'm running at a crappy 1280x1024 but only because at higher res i get below 85hz and that is unacceptable to me.

Anyway... is cleartype AA tech or what i hear as LCD font smoothing tech?

AA on the mac tends to make the text bolder and a tad blurry. However the beauty (lost upon pc users due to beige boxes and crappy UI ;) ) makes me want to do naughty stuff that involves pants down, a hand and an errection. I could provide more details if required, just ask and I will be pleased to oblige.

Anyway, thanks DeAthe, i shall return the favour to you one day, which involves the above said naughty stuff with the exception of hands (or hands if you are willing to lend a hand, pun intended).

ah so silly am i.

Tue Jun 11 16:03:21 2002

What is this silk you are talking about?

Tue Jun 11 16:24:17 2002

download silk. it installs a system preference 'app'. (you don't have to restart after installing) If you are using IE then just quit IE and then start it up again. Mozilla just requires a new window.  It basically gives AA to almost all carbon apps. When you download it you'll know what i mean.

Tue Jun 11 17:20:42 2002

:D

Tue Jun 11 19:56:44 2002

Wed Jun 12 02:14:58 2002

from HitScan posted at 1:20 am on June 12, 2002

Hurray for OSX! It allows people who know what they're doing to fix Apple's problems!

:D

well here is a quote from a dood at xlr8yourmac:

In this particular case, the feature being exploited is that 10.1.5 and later now allow Carbon apps to request CoreGraphics font rendering even when drawing fonts through QuickDraw APIs. (It was actually already possible to get CoreGraphics font rendering in Carbon apps by using the more modern ATSUI API to draw text, but many apps have enough legacy QuickDraw code that switching to ATSUI is hard.)

I'd guess that Silk does something along the lines of installing a shim library which sits between the real Carbon libraries and Carbon applications, forcing all Carbon apps which use QuickDraw for text to request CG text rendering. This may break some apps, but the breakage will usually be fairly innocuous: mostly I'd expect minor visual glitches, such as lines of text being wider or narrower than the app was written to expect.

Apple is not going to force this new feature on all apps for the simple reason that it violates previously defined behavior. From Apple's POV the only way to do it right is to make it a new feature that must be explicitly enabled by the app, allowing developers to adopt it *after* they've had the chance to iron out any wrinkles it may introduce.

Of all people, I expected you to know how hard it is to implement something and at the sametime expect developers to modify code depending on the difficulties of the port. :)

Jeremy, its a simple matter of removing the two files for this 'hack'. And as for breaking stuff, well so far the peeps at xlr8yourmac and mac achia have been testing silk for your benifit and as of now it seems to work pretty well across the board with little problems other then with apps like AIM which is now fixed with 1.1
Try it out, i knowits hard to escape from the windows paradigm where installing stuff means uninstalling can be a bitch sometimes, but you're using a mac which is after all easy to use... ;)

Seriously, just download the damn thing, install it! You don't have to restart, its enabled straight away. Mess around with it, give me your damn opinions. And if you're uncomfortable, just remove the two files thats detailed in the readme. Thats it, just 5 minutes of your life.
And you're right, 10.1.5 does give AA to supported carbon apps, but as i quoted above, it depends if the developers have a patch that takes advantage of it. Mozilla looks so pretty i tell ya. Oh and if you do have probs with some apps, you can choose in the system prefernce which apps will not be effected by silk. Its all so easy...

Can i get AA in Windows ME?
And there is NO AA is win2k? :( I don't feel like spending money to upgrade Win2k to XP when there is little reason to do so. I might install XP on this laptop running ME. hmmmm....

Wed Jun 12 02:38:00 2002

Only XP has Cleartype, though.  I like Cleartype.

Wed Jun 12 02:56:11 2002

and have you tried silk? damn it! DO IT!

grrr!!!!

:D

Wed Jun 12 03:30:33 2002

Wed Jun 12 03:33:17 2002

and have you tried silk yet? or do i have to fly to canada and make you try it?

Wed Jun 12 03:45:41 2002

X.1.5 + Mozilla 1.0 + Navzilla theme + Silk = browsing nirvana

Wed Jun 12 03:46:50 2002

My iBook is rarely connected to the Internet, but when it is, I'll try this silly thing.  Will it help Word.X as well?

Wed Jun 12 03:50:21 2002

Wed Jun 12 03:53:23 2002

Wed Jun 12 04:14:39 2002

Cleartype is awesome.

Wed Jun 12 04:30:57 2002

On a side note, I have always doubted MS's commitment to the Mac, even the Mac BU. I think it is interesting to see the Office v.X updater, that takes use of the AA feature in X.1.5, released a day or so X.1.5. It makes me think that at least the BU cares, and they must be working with Apple in some regards. Especially to implement a feature they could have easily waited until Jaguar for, and gotten away with.

Wed Jun 12 07:36:40 2002

It makes me think that at least the BU cares, and they must be working with Apple in some regards.

Well yes, Office for Macintosh is about a billion dollars a year.

Microsoft is all about making money. And protecting the things that make them money, natch.

Wed Jun 12 10:40:31 2002

Why can't the Open Source based companies figure this out?

Wed Jun 12 15:08:14 2002

Wed Jun 12 18:35:02 2002

Of all people, I expected you to know how hard it is to implement something and at the sametime expect developers to modify code depending on the difficulties of the port. :)