Mon May 6 18:28:18 2002

Mon May 6 18:28:54 2002

Mon May 6 18:40:06 2002

Mon May 6 19:00:30 2002

If this is true, I'm giving a hearty "FUCK YOU" to Steve.  I just bought your fucking hardware, and now you're saying it's obsolete?  

Mon May 6 19:06:37 2002

from Jeremy Reimer posted at 12:00 pm on May 6, 2002

According to that page, there will be no hardware Quartz/Aqua acceleration for current iBooks.  Only iMac2, eMac and newer models get it.  :mad:

If this is true, I'm giving a hearty "FUCK YOU" to Steve.  I just bought your fucking hardware, and now you're saying it's obsolete?  

Yeah, that was the only bummer of the whole presentation.  But your hardware isn't obsolete...the GUI speed you have right now is what you'll get.

Kinda stupid that the slower Macs with the crappy vid cards that already have problems handling Quartz get fucked up the ass while the faster Macs that handle Quartz beautifully already get the less necessary speedboost.

Mon May 6 19:09:26 2002

I wonder if this will be the straw that breaks the camel's back. I doubt it.

Mon May 6 19:30:16 2002

from Imitation Gruel posted at 12:09 pm on May 6, 2002

What a surprise. Once again Mac users get anally reamed with a rusty pitchfork.

I wonder if this will be the straw that breaks the camel's back. I doubt it.

I doubt it too...nobody got anally reamed with a rusty pitchfork 'cept you when you realized how far ahead Apple is than MS.

Did it hurt?  You'd better disinfect that.

(Edited by fuX0ringM0r0n at 12:32 pm on May 6, 2002)

Mon May 6 19:39:21 2002

Huge double-buffered Quartz windows in a puny 16MB card...I shudder at the thought.

(Edited by fuX0ringM0r0n at 12:40 pm on May 6, 2002)

Mon May 6 19:43:53 2002

from Imitation Gruel posted at 3:09 pm on May 6, 2002

What a surprise. Once again Mac users get anally reamed with a rusty pitchfork.

I wonder if this will be the straw that breaks the camel's back. I doubt it.

It'll take much, much more than this to break the proverbial camel's back.  Hell, 18 months stuck at 500MHz didn't do it, so why should this? :hmmm:

I expect that a few True Believers (tm) will sound this as a "win" because those with "older hardware" (read: G3-based, even though Apple still sells such beats) really need to upgrade anyway.

The more level-headed and pragmatic will complain about the lack of G3 'assistance', and Apple will again remain oblivious.

Mon May 6 19:45:05 2002

Mon May 6 19:45:16 2002

from fuX0ringM0r0n posted at 2:30 pm on May 6, 2002

I doubt it too...nobody got anally reamed with a rusty pitchfork 'cept you when you realized how far ahead Apple is than MS.

Did it hurt?  You'd better disinfect that.

Mon May 6 19:50:04 2002

Maybe Apple should also support 68k computers.  I'm dismayed that my 12 year-old LCIII isn't supported.

I enjoy seeing the MS-f4nb0yz trying to bash Apple.  Quite humorous.  Especially the Circus Headmaster Evil Merlin.  :D

(Edited by fuX0ringM0r0n at 12:55 pm on May 6, 2002)

Mon May 6 19:58:57 2002

Mon May 6 19:59:23 2002

Maybe Apple should also support 68k computers.  I'm dismayed that my 12 year-old LCIII isn't supported.

That's bullshit- I bought my iBook LAST MONTH and it won't be supported.  Utter crap-- that's CURRENT HARDWARE!  :mad: ^ 100

Mon May 6 20:00:36 2002

from Jeremy Reimer posted at 12:59 pm on May 6, 2002

Maybe Apple should also support 68k computers.  I'm dismayed that my 12 year-old LCIII isn't supported.

That's bullshit- I bought my iBook LAST MONTH and it won't be supported.  Utter crap-- that's CURRENT HARDWARE!  :mad: ^ 100

Get a grip...I just told you 16MB vid cards will work.  Definitely not as well as 32MB vid cards...but it'll work.

"Quartz Extreme
Jaguar dramatically improves the performance of Mac OS X with Quartz Extreme. Jaguar lets Quartz offload compositing tasks to a supported* video card, using OpenGL to accelerate the drawing and compositing of graphics. As with the benefits 3D games get from a video co-processor, the main CPU chip(s) can then focus on application-specific needs.

That means your shadows will drop quickly, your genies will appear slicker and your transparencies will layer faster — and Mac OS X can do more processing in the background while you move the foreground.

*nVidia: GeForce2MX, GeForce3, GeForce4 Ti, GeForce4 or GeForce4MX. ATI: any AGP Radeon card. 32MB VRAM recommended for optimum performance."

http://www.apple.com/macosx/newversion/

Edit: Well...actually...maybe you *are* fucked.  :(  I guess that 32MB req applies to the video cards listed.  Funny though...all those cards come with 32MB minimum anyways.

Edit: Ouch...I didn't realize iBooks sucked so hard...8MB ATI RAGE Mobility 128?  I dunno...you shoulda seen this coming.  

Apple's not raping anyone in any case...Quartz Extreme isn't gonna make your computer any slower.  It's just a benefit to those that have the hardware.  

It's like if I were to whine about not being able to get onto an Airport network when I haven't even an Airport card.

If we look beyond the non-supported hardware (which is not a huge deal), 10.2 is still a very significant upgrade.  

(Edited by fuX0ringM0r0n at 1:14 pm on May 6, 2002)

Mon May 6 20:34:06 2002

Edit: Ouch...I didn't realize iBooks sucked so hard...8MB ATI RAGE Mobility 128?  I dunno...you shoulda seen this coming.  

No, Apple should have seen this coming, and not shipped iBooks (they are still selling them EVEN NOW!) with inadequate hardware for their OWN OPERATING SYSTEM.

All this talk about Apple "controls the whole widget" and the truth is, Apple only controls the whole widget so they can make it obsolete with new software and force you to buy a new widget!  Fucktards.  I hate them.

Mon May 6 20:39:10 2002

They're completely "dropping OS 9".

What does this mean? Does this mean that my new copy of PS 6 is fuxored because Classic mode on X will be removed?

Does this mean that ALL of my new apps are fucked? It's not just the hardware, you know. It's EVERYTHING. Software too.

Jaguar sounds great but, again, iMac users with machines that aren't even 3.5 years old are screwed. Plus, new Mac software is screwed.

I'm starting to get really sick of Apple.

M.

(Edited by Madan at 1:40 pm on May 6, 2002)

Mon May 6 20:44:53 2002

Mon May 6 20:54:45 2002

from Magus posted at 1:44 pm on May 6, 2002

fM, you're doing a great job of earning your handle.

Hehe...I thought so too.

But I still don't understand this 'Apple has screwed me...my ass hurts...mommy, I'm scared'-bullshit.  

QUARTZ EXTREME SIMPLY TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE MORE POWERFUL VIDEOCARDS.  IT DOES NOT MAKE YOUR COMPUTER SLOWER.

Nobody is screwed in this deal.  Your OS X iBook experience will remain the same...please calm yourself, Jeremy.  

When you bought your iBook, were you expecting Apple to deliver this GPU speedboost?  Apple didn't promise a faster GUI experience.  Would you be whining at the moment if Apple hadn't introduced this 'Quartz Extreme' feature?  If so, why did you buy your iBook?  Masochist?

Are you also expecting to play Doom 3 on that 8MB ATI card?

I'll repeat it for the numbskulls...Quartz Extreme does not make you computer slower.  Nobody's getting screwed.

(Edited by fuX0ringM0r0n at 1:56 pm on May 6, 2002)

Mon May 6 21:04:05 2002

Mon May 6 21:06:59 2002

Here's the deal:

1) JR bought the iBook which is considered current.
2) Apple says there's a fix to speed up things.
3) Apple only releases said fix for the newest stuff, not the current models.
4) Thus we are left with the conclusion that they are not supporting anything but the newest models.
5) Therefore, they are effectively saying JR's shiny iBook is now obsolete. He hasn't had it long (how long has it been, JR?)
6) Thus, we see that they are forcing their customers to get newer machines if they want the faster gui.

This is called "planned obsolesence".

/me hands Madan a copy of Win2000 Pro

Mon May 6 21:07:24 2002

A. Apple put a lot of resources into Classic.  It makes no sense for them to drop it.  SJ was saying OS9 is dead to developers.  This is good.  We want X native apps.

B. GCC3.1, better multithreaded Finder, better Cocoa message passing, and hardware acceleration for quartz will make it snappier, regardless of video card.  Remember, 16mb@thousands = 32mb@millions.

Mon May 6 22:10:43 2002

from Magus posted at 2:06 pm on May 6, 2002

Good God, are you really that dumb, or do you have to practice?

Heh, yeah, I practice...but not nearly as much as you it seems.  :D

Mon May 6 22:29:16 2002

from fuX0ringM0r0n posted at 12:58 pm on May 6, 2002

BTW, can you guys help me?  I've got a 266 PII here...but I'm having trouble getting XP to run at a decent speed, window redraw is sluggish and response speeds are dissapointing.  :D

Easy, turn of the gay GUI...

Oh wait, Apple doesn't give you an option to turn the gay gui off?

How sad.

Mon May 6 22:51:18 2002

from DeAthe posted at 6:29 pm on May 6, 2002

from fuX0ringM0r0n posted at 12:58 pm on May 6, 2002

BTW, can you guys help me?  I've got a 266 PII here...but I'm having trouble getting XP to run at a decent speed, window redraw is sluggish and response speeds are dissapointing.  :D

Easy, turn of the gay GUI...

Oh wait, Apple doesn't give you an option to turn the gay gui off?

How sad.

/me looks at the terminal.

/me looks at magnus with disgust.

/me belches and walks away.

Mon May 6 23:21:19 2002

BTW, can you guys help me?  I've got a 266 PII here...but I'm having trouble getting XP to run at a decent speed, window redraw is sluggish and response speeds are dissapointing.  

Easy, turn of the gay GUI...

Oh wait, Apple doesn't give you an option to turn the gay gui off?

How sad.

/me looks at the terminal.

/me looks at magnus with disgust.

/me belches and walks away.

if all you're using is a terminal, why are you using osx?

anyway. disabling all the new gui nonsense on xp should make a p266 quite usable, given enough ram.

Mon May 6 23:50:13 2002

/me looks at magnus with disgust.

What's "magnus"?

Mon May 6 23:52:13 2002

By the way, that's "Magus".

(Edited by Magus at 6:53 pm on May 6, 2002)

Tue May 7 00:32:04 2002

/me looks at the terminal.

LOLOLOLOLOL!

you're sooooooooooo funny :)

Tue May 7 00:42:46 2002

/me looks at the terminal.

/me looks at magnus with disgust.

/me belches and walks away.

/me thinks harp needs better reading and comprehension skills.
/me doesn't think his name looks like 'magnus'

BTW, nice well thought out rebuttal.

Tue May 7 02:24:28 2002

I also have that fucked in the arse feeling when apple won't support OS X on my Lombard, which I bought for the specific purpose of installing OS X later, which they said they would do.

However, this screwing customers in the ass is apple tradition.

My 540c had a little "power pc" upgradeable sticker on it.
One class action lawsuit later, someone got compensated for the the fact, but, apples solution was a 1500 dollar upgrade, to 100 mhz ppc chip that sucked.

Suffice to say: When you buy an apple product, no longer expect to be able to use the new os on your computer.  Those days are over.

The PC side is little better.  The rash of notes on XP not supporting scsi well is a great example.

2000 is a great os, but many companies by passed writing drivers for it, concentrating on the stricter requirements for XP.

I'm at a point now where I try and minimize the amount I invest in any machine, since it's highly likely that the new os will not support the components I use.

This is in contrast to the old days, where scsi stuff, for example, was always forward compatible.

So, for better or worse, buy what you need, and keep your investment to a minimum.

gs

Tue May 7 02:56:28 2002

if all you're using is a terminal, why are you using osx?  

I'm not.  He wanted a way to turn off the gay GUI.  I introduced him to the terminal.

anyway. disabling all the new gui nonsense on xp should make a p266 quite usable, given enough ram.

Horseshit.

1.7 P4 512 Mb:

That shit doesnt happen in Quartz.  Ever.

/me thinks harp needs better reading and comprehension skills.

It has nothing to do with reading comprehension.  It's called a typo you fucking inbred.

I mean what eye candy are you even talking about?  Genie: Disable
Bouncing dock: Disable
Dock Magnification:  Disable
etc...

(Edited by harp at 11:05 pm on May 6, 2002)

(Edited by harp at 11:08 pm on May 6, 2002)

Tue May 7 03:04:36 2002

Quote: anyway. disabling all the new gui nonsense on xp should make a p266 quite usable, given enough ram.

Horseshit.

1.7 P4 512 Mb:

http://homepage.mac.com/harp79/.Pictures/gdi+.jpg ">

That shit doesnt happen in Quartz.  Ever.

well now son, ah said son, what we've got on the one hand is something we call an "apple." or for the sake of clarity, we'll call it an "orange," ah said "orange." and here on the other hand, we unfortunately have the aforementioned horseshit.  now these have nothing to do with one anothah.

later this week, if i can find my xp cd, i'm going to install it on my gaming machine and see if i can replicate the problems you demonstrate.

Tue May 7 03:28:31 2002

well now son, ah said son, what we've got on the one hand is something we call an "apple." or for the sake of clarity, we'll call it an "orange," ah said "orange." and here on the other hand, we unfortunately have the aforementioned horseshit.  now these have nothing to do with one anothah.

Foghorn Leghorn? :)

Tue May 7 03:33:53 2002

I incidently have a Radeon, what's your vid card Harp?

I don't know if it is a driver issue or a GUI bug.

Tue May 7 03:38:41 2002

My PC is more than capable and is most likely faster than the fastest mac available to the public.

The issue here is not the hardware, it is XP.  It features an inferior graphics system, which can be painful at times as illustrated by my screenshot.

(Edited by harp at 11:39 pm on May 6, 2002)

Tue May 7 03:50:36 2002

I'm not.  He wanted a way to turn off the gay GUI.  I introduced him to the terminal.

Wow, is that the little black box that has letters and stuff in it? GREAT! Now, how do I use that to run photoshop or browse the internet?

/sarcasm off.

Seriouly iTard, if I didn't know about the console think I'd even be typing here? A console is *not* a complete shell replacement in a modern GUI driven OS. If it was, you can bet your ass Windows and OS/X wouldn't have the GUI.

Now, how do you turn off the GUI in OS/X so it appears like OS/9? See you can do something almost identical in XP. In XP you can turn off all effects thereby making the shell identical to Win2kPro.

Horseshit.

1.7 P4 512 Mb:

Have you even tried it? It works, I've had it running on a P2-300 w/ 64 megs of ram. With that limited amount of ram you need to turn off some services, but works. Hell, I've had it running on my laptop 180 mhz ( power saving mode, it's craptacular ) w/ 320 megs of ram, and ATI M1; with no fucking noticeable GUI speed problems. However, the speed problems became apparent when I tried to use WinRAR, and other applications that need horsepower. But the general GUI was very usable. Don't say horseshit until you try it.

It has nothing to do with reading comprehension.  It's called a typo you fucking inbred.

Typo's generally consist of missing one letter, or a misspelled word. Typing in another word altogether is called being stupid.

I mean what eye candy are you even talking about?  Genie: Disable
Bouncing dock: Disable
Dock Magnification:  Disable
etc...

Why would you want to turn off the Bouncing Dock? I mean, isn't it necesasry ( that's a typo ) for all modern GUI's to have a bouncing dock? Photoshop won't run w/out a bouncing dock will it?

Jesus, ok, if turning off all the eyecandy in OS/X will allow you to run it, at a good speed on older hardware, then fucking a great. Glad they put it in.

That shit doesnt happen in Quartz.  Ever.

Whoopdy doo.

Tue May 7 03:59:23 2002

That shit doesnt happen in Quartz.  Ever.

Choice -- particularly choice that affects performance -- is good.

I can guarantee that I don't want all my windows buffered in such a way.  I have *much* more useful things to do with the memory, and my video card doesn't have much on-board memory either (I think it's 16 MiB, maybe 32, but in any case, not enough for all the windows I have).

The issue here is not the hardware, it is XP.  It features an inferior graphics system, which can be painful at times as illustrated by my screenshot.

later this week, if i can find my xp cd, i'm going to install it on my gaming machine and see if i can replicate the problems you demonstrate.

I'm a little curious about what Quartz does if you don't bother painting your window.  Ah, apparently it just draws a white box.

Tue May 7 04:10:25 2002

What driver version are you using?

Tue May 7 04:18:16 2002

Wow, is that the little black box that has letters and stuff in it? GREAT! Now, how do I use that to run photoshop or browse the internet?

/sarcasm off.

You could try sticking it up your ass?  

Or you could address the issue...that being what eyecandy, exactly?

Have you even tried it? It works, I've had it running on a P2-300 w/ 64 megs of ram. With that limited amount of ram you need to turn off some services, but works. Hell, I've had it running on my laptop 180 mhz ( power saving mode, it's craptacular ) w/ 320 megs of ram, and ATI M1; with no fucking noticeable GUI speed problems. However, the speed problems became apparent when I tried to use WinRAR, and other applications that need horsepower. But the general GUI was very usable. Don't say horseshit until you try it.

Oh, I'm sorry.  I guess you missed the fucking 17inch screenshot I took.  :rolleyes:

Typo's generally consist of missing one letter, or a misspelled word. Typing in another word altogether is called being stupid.

Interesting.  Magus vs Magnus.  How many letters were fucked up?  One.  That's a typo by your own definition, jagoff.

Why would you want to turn off the Bouncing Dock? I mean, isn't it necesasry ( that's a typo ) for all modern GUI's to have a bouncing dock? Photoshop won't run w/out a bouncing dock will it?

What in the fuck are you talking about?

Jesus, ok, if turning off all the eyecandy in OS/X will allow you to run it, at a good speed on older hardware, then fucking a great. Glad they put it in.

Aparently XP users dont have much room to talk about with regards to system requirements.  I have a fast computer.  XP still cannot draw windows correctly all the time.  What a fucking disgrace.

Tue May 7 04:22:04 2002

Because it burns memory buffering all the windows.  You can do that in Win32.  Difference is, it's optional.  If you want to save the memory -- at the cost of having the occasional undrawn window -- you're free to do so.

Choice -- particularly choice that affects performance -- is good.

I can guarantee that I don't want all my windows buffered in such a way.  I have *much* more useful things to do with the memory, and my video card doesn't have much on-board memory either (I think it's 16 MiB, maybe 32, but in any case, not enough for all the windows I have).

You seem to enjoy older technology.  That's fine.  I prefer a better user experience via the GUI.

The issue is that XP's graphics layer cannot handle the more advanced stuff as well as quartz can.

Making double-buffering optional is not inferior.  Double-buffering comes at a not inconsiderable cost, it should *not* be made mandatory.  Maybe in a few years the memory cost will be be negligible, but right now, it's too much.

It should be manditory so I dont have to look at shit like that every time an app hangs.

Tue May 7 04:23:58 2002

from Xspung posted at 12:10 am on May 7, 2002

I've got a GF3 ti200 and have seen that before too. It's an NVIDIA driver issue and not a problem with XP.

What driver version are you using?

2.3.1.1

Tue May 7 16:35:44 2002

The issue is that XP's graphics layer cannot handle the more advanced stuff as well as quartz can.

Well according to Pizza, being "advanced" is not the issue, though I'm not sure what is.

Tue May 7 16:41:04 2002

That shit doesnt happen in Quartz.  Ever.

incidently, curtesy of Kurt-o:

what was that about being able to handel more advanced yada yada yada :cheesy:

(Edited by AllYorBaseRBelong2Us at 11:42 am on May 7, 2002)

Tue May 7 16:49:26 2002

so no it ain't aqua i can guarantee you that. The guys at #macintosh made me run some tests to basically hog my powermac to a snails pace. Typing became very difficult with the lag and even with a ton of processes running i HAD NO GUI issues what so ever. FUCK i could do a genie thingie and no props, and this at 1280x1024 at 85hz... ooooohhhhhhh i am so 1337!!!!

ph34r me OSY-tards!!1

muahahahahaha!!!!

OS X is the best os in the world, face the facts and get on the aqua bus phools!

Tue May 7 16:57:18 2002

AYB, if i am right about this, that pic you posted has no relevance (well maybe some) to the discussion here. Thats a geforce firmware issue for some monitors. And i think there was one for the radeon as well with certain sony monitors.

You sure?  Anyway, I was just being poopy. :)

BTW, I have rarely had problems with classic windows, and it's lighting fast to boot.  Does that mean Classic Windows is the Most Advanced GUI of them all?

indeed! :)

Tue May 7 17:06:56 2002

from AllYorBaseRBelong2Us posted at 12:57 am on May 8, 2002

AYB, if i am right about this, that pic you posted has no relevance (well maybe some) to the discussion here. Thats a geforce firmware issue for some monitors. And i think there was one for the radeon as well with certain sony monitors.

You sure?  Anyway, I was just being poopy. :)

BTW, I have rarely had problems with classic windows, and it's lighting fast to boot.  Does that mean Classic Windows is the Most Advanced GUI of them all?

indeed! :)

i'd just call you a liar!
;)
:cheesy:

Tue May 7 19:00:08 2002

What flavor of kool-aid are you drinking, Deathe? Dost it tasteth goode?

I tried to run Xp on a friend's old lappie he lent me(Dell 500/32) and it ate most horrible chunks. It gave me wierd screens that you would not believe.

I guess you were lucky but that crap that Ars is filled with about "XP running on a P100/4mbRAM" crap is just luck.

M.

Tue May 7 19:55:01 2002

You could try sticking it up your ass?  

Or you could address the issue...that being what eyecandy, exactly?

The issue being EyeCandy. Eyecandy is stuff that adds color and 'beauty' to the OS without adding functionality. So, when I say turn off the eyecandy I mean something along the lines of making XP look like 2K did.

Oh, I'm sorry.  I guess you missed the fucking 17inch screenshot I took

I didn't miss it, but since it wasn't dealing with the issue, I fucking ignored it. All the eyecandy is on. I dislike it, I feel it detracts from the os.

Interesting.  Magus vs Magnus.  How many letters were fucked up?  One.  That's a typo by your own definition, jagoff.

Ok, I'll type slowly for you here. You where quoting a post I made, you directed your comments at Magus, since DeAthe != Magus isn't in the lines of typo.

What in the fuck are you talking about?

Sarcasm.

Aparently XP users dont have much room to talk about with regards to system requirements.  I have a fast computer.  XP still cannot draw windows correctly all the time.  What a fucking disgrace.

So, you're educated enough in the depths of XP and OSX to know that the entire graphic subsystem of XP is flawed fundamentally? BS. You saw a rendering anomaly. It happens in OS's. It happens in OSX. Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I've seen it on Xfree86 4.0, Win, OS/2. I haven't seen it on OSX mainly because my experience is limited on that system.  WinXP has and will run on systems that are 4-5 years old, albeit with some upgrades, mainly ram. OS/X most likely won't run on 4-5 year old hardware.

If it's such a fucking disgrace, don't use it.

What flavor of kool-aid are you drinking, Deathe? Dost it tasteth goode?

I tried to run Xp on a friend's old lappie he lent me(Dell 500/32) and it ate most horrible chunks. It gave me wierd screens that you would not believe.

I guess you were lucky but that crap that Ars is filled with about "XP running on a P100/4mbRAM" crap is just luck.

Mad, 32 megs is nowhere fucking near to run XP. You need 64 megs to run it, and you have to kill services. 128 preferred.

XP WILL run on low proc specs, I've done it. W/ 64 megs of ram.

As far as luck, there is no luck involved, I just knew what to turn off, mainly unnecessary services, to make the machine have less overhead. Granted this was on XP Pro, I dunno how the home version is.

Anyway, I'm off to do the whole move thing. Take care everyone, except of course Harp, go jerk off to a mac forum or something. :)

Tue May 7 20:49:13 2002

Even so, X can be run on machines with 64 mb and up(although it will be unbearably slow).

All in all, I'm disappointed with ALL OSes.

Mac is screwing me out of OS 9 support(when I really need a couple more years of support)(2-3 would be nice). Fuckers.

Oh, and OS X  is S-L-O-W. And Jaguar won't really help me(16 mb VRAM).

Win is expensive and comes with nothing. I can't make/read .doc files wiout Office(unlike Mac) and Office costs a fucking fortune for the basic Word/Excel/PPT/ combo.

Not to mention the fact that XP hasn't been stable for me at all. 2k has but XP hasn't.

Linux is in Chinese.

I'm moving to Amiga.

M.

Tue May 7 21:55:21 2002

Amiga?  That's funny.  Did you know that AmigaOS 4.0 is in development?  PPC only.  Nobody knows what kind of PPC it will support though-- classic Amiga with PPC addon board?  New PPC motherboards?  I don't think Amiga, Inc even knows.

Tue May 7 22:04:56 2002

i'd just call you a liar!

AYB never lies :)

Wed May 8 12:16:25 2002

XP is perfectly stable, I haven't had it fux0r up yet.

For you.  I've had three problems already and it's pissing me off.  Mostly with games.

Amiga?  That's funny.  Did you know that AmigaOS 4.0 is in development?  PPC only.  Nobody knows what kind of PPC it will support though-- classic Amiga with PPC addon board?  New PPC motherboards? I don't think Amiga, Inc even knows.

Cool. Maybe they'll have teh emulation and I can drop Mac/Win.

M.

Wed May 8 14:34:45 2002

from Jeremy Reimer posted at 11:55 pm on May 7, 2002


Amiga?  That's funny.  Did you know that AmigaOS 4.0 is in development?  PPC only.  Nobody knows what kind of PPC it will support though-- classic Amiga with PPC addon board?  New PPC motherboards?  I don't think Amiga, Inc even knows.

You havent following very closely it seems.
The new Amiga's use G3's and will have a rom onboard to ensure that only AmigaOS 4 can be run on it.

And yes, that G3 is solded on the fuckn board.

Wed May 8 17:00:45 2002

from harp posted at 12:23 am on May 7, 2002

from Xspung posted at 12:10 am on May 7, 2002

I've got a GF3 ti200 and have seen that before too. It's an NVIDIA driver issue and not a problem with XP.

What driver version are you using?

2.3.1.1

I assume you mean 23.11? They are rather dated.

Go to the NVIDIA site and download the latest WHQL approved drivers (28.32) and install them. They should fix your problem.