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Here's a puzzler for you

Jeremy Reimer

Tue Apr 9 19:37:48 2002

Ars technica is a large, enterprise-level web site with hundreds of simultaneous visitors and an expensive and complicated bulletin board system running on an SQL database (or is an Oracle database?) on Linux with the most advanced posting features available.

Pegasus3D is a small hobby site run on a cable modem connection and a home computer running Windows 2000 and uses a bunch of freeware Perl scripts that one guy hacked together in his spare time for fun, administered almost not at all by the aforementioned home user who occasionally looks at script problems and patches them with workarounds, but generally speaking hasn't a clue about what he is doing.

Why is it, then, that I was able to fix nested quoting on OSY ages ago, yet this seems to get ever more broken on Ars all the time?

Madan

Tue Apr 9 20:01:06 2002

Because Ars has 100x more posts and usage than you?

:)

M.

Magus

Tue Apr 9 20:01:44 2002

from Jeremy Reimer posted at 2:37 pm on April 9, 2002

on Linux
There's half the problem. Another factor is that this IS a hobby for you, and not for the Infopop people. I suspect you care more about it than they do.
AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Tue Apr 9 20:13:01 2002

Pegasus3d is held together by the will of the Mighty AYB.

This point is beyond refute!

Imitation Gruel

Tue Apr 9 20:13:36 2002

[color=blue][size=100]BEST THREAD EVER[/size][/color]

:EVILKING:


Okay, maybe not. But it is true, and it is thought-provoking, and it is amusing. [color=green]

Edit: When I wrote that, the above AYB post didn't exist.

(Edited by Imitation Gruel at 1:14 pm on April 9, 2002)

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Tue Apr 9 20:18:36 2002

:(

Why you so mean?

Imitation Gruel

Tue Apr 9 20:20:21 2002

That was mean?

But seriously...ummm...it simply hadn't appeared, so it was referring to what Reimer said, not you, AYB.

:EVILKING:

(Edited by Imitation Gruel at 1:20 pm on April 9, 2002)

Madan

Tue Apr 9 20:36:42 2002

Relax, AYB, you know IG's your buddy. :)
(how goes teh site?)

And yeah, I kinda vibed that he was kiddin'

M.

(Edited by Madan at 1:37 pm on April 9, 2002)

Jeremy Reimer

Tue Apr 9 20:58:23 2002


Because Ars has 100x more posts and usage than you?

But that's my whole point.  They have tons more users and a whole staff of technical support for a commercial bulletin board product, so why can't they fix the quoting?

It's a simple problem, or it must be, if I was able to fix it.  And it has nothing to do with the # of users.  I wouldn't rag on ars for all their "service unavailable" messages, because that's an issue of bandwidth limits, and it's not like OSY is never down either.

Anyway, I was half-serious.

Madan

Tue Apr 9 21:03:47 2002


But that's my whole point.  They have tons more users and a whole staff of technical support for a commercial bulletin board product, so why can't they fix the quoting?

A staff of what size? Five? Big hairy deal.
You're responsible for what? 50 users?
They're responsible for what? 5000? Divided by five? No, TEN staffers? That's still 10x as many users as you.


It's a simple problem, or it must be, if I was able to fix it.  And it has nothing to do with the # of users.  I wouldn't rag on ars for all their "service unavailable" messages, because that's an issue of bandwidth limits, and it's not like OSY is never down either.

OSY is reasonably reliable.
Although Madan's school bulletin board has *nevAr* been down.

Muahaahahahahaha! (.02 billed to himself).

Anyway, I was half-serious.

Yeah, I kind of figured. You comparing OSY to Ars is like me comparing HeraldStore to Ebay.

!=

M.

Jeremy Reimer

Tue Apr 9 21:07:52 2002


A staff of what size? Five? Big hairy deal.
You're responsible for what? 50 users?
They're responsible for what? 5000? Divided by five? No, TEN staffers? That's still 10x as many users as you.

So what?  THE NUMBER OF USERS MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE WHEN IT COMES TO FIXING THE QUOTING!  

You make one fix, boom, every user sees the benefit.  Automatically.  It shouldn't take a team of five full-time developers an indefinite amount of time to make this one fix, when a single drunken hobby webmaster with no knowledge and no skills about anything whatsoever (ie, me) can do it in about ten minutes.

But, you know.

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Tue Apr 9 21:35:19 2002

Relax, AYB, you know IG's your buddy.

indeed!

And the site is going slow, I liked your design for the logo, but it's a bit complex.  I need to be able to play with the theme in my own mind and your leetness is beyond mere mortal comprehension.

I wanted to go with a simple, easy to read, yet handsome format that focused on cyan and white.  I need to redo the logo and come out with a matching theme for side menus and stuffs. :)

Robocop Q Einstein

Tue Apr 9 21:52:04 2002

from Madan posted at 5:03 pm on April 9, 2002


But that's my whole point.  They have tons more users and a whole staff of technical support for a commercial bulletin board product, so why can't they fix the quoting?

A staff of what size? Five? Big hairy deal.
You're responsible for what? 50 users?
They're responsible for what? 5000? Divided by five? No, TEN staffers? That's still 10x as many users as you.

35,000 last I checked.

Harbinger

Tue Apr 9 22:36:56 2002

Well, since OSY and Ars use completely different forum software, I can't say that Ars has an easy fix just because yours was an easy fix, JR. ;)
Harbinger

Tue Apr 9 22:37:56 2002

from AllYorBaseRBelong2Us posted at 4:13 pm on April 9, 2002

Pegasus3d is held together by the will of the Mighty AYB.

This point is beyond refute!

Force of will, baby.  Force of will.

:biggrin:

HitScan

Tue Apr 9 22:38:11 2002

The thing to remember is that this is in no way Ars' fault. Therefore, a staff of 5, or 5000, means nothing. They depend on InfoPop (for better or worse) to handle all of thier foruming. So, for some reason ip can't handle it. And I should imagine they would have a damn site more than 5 people working for them. Therefore: For shame, InfoPop!
:biggrin:
PaulHill

Wed Apr 10 19:12:01 2002

from Jeremy Reimer posted at 12:37 pm on April 9, 2002


Why is it, then, that I was able to fix nested quoting on OSY ages ago, yet this seems to get ever more broken on Ars all the time?

Because they're crap. Because they are crap, they do whatever InfoPop tell them. Because InfoPop are also crap, this doesn't work.

For example, InfoPop sold them an Oracle database for them to stuff their stuff onto.  Try searching for pages from last year. They're soup, which sucks arse when (for example) you're trying to remember exactly what date you gave for Be's death so you can be all smug about it.

The fact they're trying to charge for this shoddy, second-rate product just rubs salt into the wound.

DrPizza

Thu Apr 11 13:13:43 2002

A staff of what size? Five? Big hairy deal.
You're responsible for what? 50 users?
They're responsible for what? 5000? Divided by five? No, TEN staffers? That's still 10x as many users as you.


Irrelevant.

Fixing this would be easy for them to do (it doesn't matter how many users they have, it's all just XSL-T), but they have not done it for reasons unknown.

PaoloM

Fri Apr 12 04:46:55 2002

from DrPizza posted at 6:13 am on April 11, 2002

Fixing this would be easy for them to do (it doesn't matter how many users they have, it's all just XSL-T), but they have not done it for reasons unknown.

Sloppy is the word that comes to mind. At least to mine. I don't know about others'. Maybe choppy. Or floppy. What word comes to your mind?
HitScan

Fri Apr 12 05:09:06 2002

)explative deleted(
:biggrin:

Or, scrood.

DuffMan

Fri Apr 12 09:41:02 2002

My guess is that infopop is supported by people who are clueless. Seeing that Ars has some incredably smart coding minds as memebers:

[size=100]OH TEH IRANY[/SIZE]

Jeremy Reimer

Sat Apr 20 23:16:45 2002

Thread revived, because I made a bunch of fixes and improvements that also indicate that:


Another factor is that this IS a hobby for you, and not for the Infopop people. I suspect you care more about it than they do.

I've always thought that getting paid for doing what you would do as a hobby could either be great or horribly sucktacular.  I'm tending towards the latter.

Imitation Gruel

Sun Apr 21 01:39:04 2002

The new features are great. Infopop could take some lessons from you, JR. Seriously.