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I got a new iBook!!!!

Jeremy Reimer

Sat Mar 9 03:08:56 2002

No wireless Ethernet/airport yet, so I am using the second NIC in my PC and Windows 2000's Internet Connection Sharing, and lo and behold it works!  

This little toy is FUN... I've never, ever, ever had a laptop before, and it's really cool.  Screw the Dark side/Light side, I'm BOTH now!!  Supremely powerful!!! Muahahahahahaaa!!!!

Now I'm going to post this and see if it shows up on the PC side... hee hee

PHEAR ME!!

(incidentally this thing defaulted to booting into OS 9.2, I nearly threw up all over it, but it was easy to switch to OSX.  How could people ever use OS < X??  I mean, really.  

OK, well, all done, time to post!

DrPizza

Sat Mar 9 03:12:17 2002

How could anyone use something with such a low resolution screen?

It's beyond me.  

Anyway, laptops all suck, it's just a question of degree.

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Sat Mar 9 03:12:22 2002

<Paul Hill>
Hurrah!
</Paul Hill>

That's cool JR, I'm far too poor to afford something like that :(

I was considering an iBook, but i don't know....

Jeremy Reimer

Sat Mar 9 03:30:37 2002

I use 1024x768 on my desktop, so I don't consider it low resolution.  It's about right.  The thing that makes it cool is its portability.  At home I'd rather work on the desktop, but if I'm elsewhere... hey!  cool! I can still do stuff!
Harbinger

Sat Mar 9 04:35:08 2002

from DrPizza posted at 10:12 pm on Mar. 8, 2002

How could anyone use something with such a low resolution screen?

It's beyond me.  

Agreed, wholeheartedly.  And then some.  On a bad day, my desktop res is 1152x864; my normal rez is 1280x1024.  When I'm using a 1024x768 laptop, I feel too confined.

If my employer gets me a new laptop, it's gotta have at least XGA resolution.  And since he also cares about screen real estate, I'm sure he can empathize.

Anyway, laptops all suck, it's just a question of degree.

Too true.

DeAthe

Sat Mar 9 05:46:37 2002

Shit, I feel bad now that I use a 800x600 laptop. And only a 1024x768 Desktop.

Works for me though. :)

So, what *can* you do with that ibook?

Jeremy Reimer

Sat Mar 9 07:16:55 2002

Well, I can take it on the bus with me to write, I can take it to the beach to write, I can basically take it anywhere and write.  Which was the plan, to write my novel instead of just spending time surfing ars technica and OSY.. ;)

I might, and this is a big might, look into programming for Cocoa if it's as easy as everyone says.

DeAthe

Sat Mar 9 11:25:36 2002

Cool, so it's basically a portable word processer w/ net connection then? W/ some MP3 and Movie playing. Basically what I use mine for as well....
DrPizza

Sat Mar 9 14:05:08 2002

I use mine for programming, especially database programming.

This is why it has a gigabyte of memory.  Which still isn't enough....

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Sat Mar 9 15:59:03 2002

This is why it has a gigabyte of memory.  Which still isn't enough....

64bit lappies anyone?

Socrates

Sat Mar 9 15:59:15 2002

Laptops suck because of the hard drives.

I used to hook my 540 c up to an external scsi hard drive at home, and that made a huge difference, since I booted from it.

You might consider this:  Buy a pci card that allows ultra wide or better speeds.  Connect a Cheetah X 15 to the laptop, and at home, use it as a hard drive for booting.

Don't know if this works under OS X, but under 9, it was a piece of cake.

Otherwise, laptop processor speeds are pretty much irrelevant, unless you are doing some sort of seti work, that is only processor functions, and no hard drive work.

Another great thing about 9 was, and is, you can turn virtual memory off, if you have enough memory.

The mac os is pretty much stable under such conditions, provided you aren't running a program like Unreal, that has to have a pagefile.

For school, I would reduce processor speed, shut the hard drive down, create a ram disk, store all working documents on the ram disk, and disable the pagefile.  This gave me blinding speed, no swapping, and very good battery life.

gs

Harbinger

Sat Mar 9 17:47:04 2002

JR, what are the specs of your ibook?  G3 or G4?  RAM?  HD size?  Does it have pcmcia slots?  No SCSI, by any chance? (Yeah I know, that's a long shot.)
Jeremy Reimer

Sat Mar 9 19:54:18 2002

It's a relatively wimpy 500MHz G3, with 128 megs of RAM.  At some point I'll upgrade the RAM, but I'm surprised at how well OSX performs on such low-end hardware.  Lightyears ahead of 10.0.   15 gig HD.  Hey, it's my first laptop EVAR.  I love it.

Imitation Gruel

Sat Mar 9 20:42:15 2002

I shouldn't and shall not buy a laptop as I can pretty well guarantee it would be getting replaced within ~7 days because I accidentally destroyed it.
Imitation Gruel

Sat Mar 9 20:43:53 2002

Oh, and I won't buy one until they have 7200+ rpm hard drives, if I ever do. I've used new lappies with GHz+ procs and only 5400rpm hard drives and they just crawl as far as I'm concerned.

Count me in as agreeing with Socrates (for once).

Harbinger

Sat Mar 9 20:48:12 2002

from Imitation Gruel posted at 3:42 pm on Mar. 9, 2002

I shouldn't and shall not buy a laptop as I can pretty well guarantee it would be getting replaced within ~7 days because I accidentally destroyed it.

Heh, I've worked with lotsa people like you. :biggrin:

Even though I'm not exactly easy on my laptop, I'm not brutal either.  My laptop would look brand new if not for the fact that I'm the second owner; any marks or mars aren't mine.  Heck, the AC adapter's cable still has kinks in it. ;)  After discussing such phenomena with others I've worked with, we attributed it to being appreciative of the technology -- it ain't a Vtech kiddie laptop and it's not a dachsund to be kicked around.

Harbinger

Sat Mar 9 20:54:26 2002

from Imitation Gruel posted at 3:43 pm on Mar. 9, 2002

Oh, and I won't buy one until they have 7200+ rpm hard drives, if I ever do. I've used new lappies with GHz+ procs and only 5400rpm hard drives and they just crawl as far as I'm concerned.

You sure they had 5400 rpm drives?  I've been looking to get one to upgrade my laptop, and they're rather hard to find.  Toshiba themselves just announced their own last month, and I haven't found any shipping just yet.  A quick search on PriceWatch only revealed ones from IBM -- and they were high capacity and extremely high-priced.

I'd be more inclined to think that the laptops you tried had standard 4200 rpm drives, but if they really did have 5400 drives I'd like to know which models (laptops & drives) they were.  This is beginning to be more important to our developers.

Imitation Gruel

Sat Mar 9 21:36:05 2002

I'd like to know which models (laptops & drives) they were.

48GB 5400rpm IBM Travelstar, in a Dell Inspiron 8100 a roommate had. He allowed me to use it, just to get the feel of a highend laptop. It had a 1GHz PIII-M, 512MB of RAM and I believe a 16MB GeForce2 Go. I've used desktop computers with worse specs than that which *felt* far faster because of SCSI and SCSI RAID. I don't think Dell uses this hard drive anymore.

Harbinger

Sat Mar 9 22:35:57 2002

Ah, the IBM 48 giggers.  Those are the only 5400 rpm 2.5" drives that I've seen readily available.  

Does your roomie still have that laptop?  It certainly has the potential to be a desktop replacement, if it fits the user's needs.

DuffMan

Sun Mar 10 01:51:05 2002

If I were to buy a laptop it would probably be a ibook.

Maybe when i get my old pentium 1something laptop back from my cousin in france, I'll use it and put beos on it or something crazy like that.

Imitation Gruel

Sun Mar 10 03:03:00 2002

I would hope he does, because it was brand new. However I don't know because he graduated at the end of fall. He was only a roomie for 1 semester, his last.
AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Sun Mar 10 03:10:08 2002

Do I sense an iBook in Imitation Gruel's future?

Mmm, maybe not ;)

Socrates

Sun Mar 10 04:36:02 2002

IBm 5400's suck.  The 4200's are about the same speed, and way cheaper.  For a drive that MAY last a year, why bother?

Again, you want to rock?  Get a remote, uw, or LVD scsi drive, and boot from that.

I'm actually jazzed that JR is becoming multi-platform.

Soon, perhaps, he will stop making all those assinine comments he has made for years, about macs.

That, of course, until apple fucks him the first time...

S

OscarWilde

Sun Mar 10 04:55:40 2002

this is pretty cool, but i'm surprised that yer experience with OS X on the iBook and performance is good?

from what i hear at the mac achia performance on low end macs are pretty bad at times.

me has a dualie G4/533 with 1.2gig and os x installed on a 7200rpm 90gig drive, so performance on my mac is obviously going to be very good.

get mozilla 0.9.8 or 0.9.9 macho build. its takes a wee bit of time to start up although i'm curious to how long it takes on your ibook, but rendering websites is tons faster.  however mozilla still has some kinks here and there, like memory hogging that can effect the performance of your ibook over time. Or mozilla just stalls after an hour of use. 0.9.9 seems much more well behaved then 0.9.8 in that area but not so much so.

so you gonna get an iPod?

oh did you get your anti-RDF pills from the doc before the purchase? you do know if you don't take them over time the steve jobs virus takes over yer mind... something akin to mad cow disease...

me takes a 4 pills a day because me dualie has quite a strong ammount of RDF from it... at days i can't help but wanna do stuff with teh glory hole.

OscarWilde

Sun Mar 10 05:02:40 2002

oh and if you do get mozilla, tell me your opinions of tabbing in browsers?

incase you don't know, in IE, to switch between IE windows with your keyboard  do:
hold command down, and then hit the '~' key. This switches to the next window and so on.
But on mozilla its 'command 1' but unfortunately i can't seem to find a way to switch beween tabs with my keyboard.

(Edited by OscarWilde at 12:03 pm on Mar. 10, 2002)

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Sun Mar 10 05:05:42 2002

How's yer Powermac 9600 doing OW?
Socrates

Sun Mar 10 05:10:37 2002

http://www.macgurus.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi?

These guys are a great source of info on macs.

They make the ARS forum look, well, it could be better....


s

OscarWilde

Sun Mar 10 05:13:09 2002

my powermac 9600 is now lying on the floor doing nothing. i might turn it into a server if i'm willing to get a harddrive for it. i want to install os x. seeing as how os x performance is not that bad by what jeremy is saying maybe a g4/350 will do fairly decent. maybe just run it as a ftp/webserver.
AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Sun Mar 10 05:14:27 2002

Is'nt it sad to see computers break as they dive into obsolecence?
OscarWilde

Sun Mar 10 05:18:17 2002

well it isn't broken. just the harddrive nearing the end of its lifespan. The computer it self still does pretty well. The 9600 still remains quite the awesome computer.
AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Sun Mar 10 05:20:01 2002

The 9600 still remains quite the awesome computer.

Indeed!

i think Apple should make another machine like this using a bigger case and with at 5 or 6 slots.  make a good server (if the PPC wasn't such a slow server chip :cheesy:)

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Sun Mar 10 05:25:05 2002

One thing I'd like about having an iBook (especially with that nifty sleep function) is putting a wireless hub on my network and using an airport card so that I could carry the iBook around my residence and be able to Smam OscarWilde from anywhere within.

And I wouldn't even need to arise from bed to post on OSY.

OscarWilde

Sun Mar 10 05:27:09 2002

what is this nifty sleep function you guys are going on about?
AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Sun Mar 10 06:08:52 2002

what is this nifty sleep function you guys are going on about?

The iBook seems to do pretty well in suspend as far as battery life is concerned.

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Sun Mar 10 06:11:49 2002

Refer to Jeremy's thread in the BF.

Socrates

Sun Mar 10 06:27:02 2002

OW:
Macgurus knows tons about the 9600, and they love em.

I'd post any ideas you have about upgrading with them.

A quantum LM for cheap, or a Seagate Cheetah, on a LVD, or faster card, comes to mind.

Seems to me the chipset is limited to around 50 mb/sec, but, I could be wrong.

Ask the gurus about it, or, they could help you sell it.

I'm not sure if OS X works on the 9600?

gs

Madan

Mon Mar 11 12:18:04 2002


Soon, perhaps, he will stop making all those assinine comments he has made for years, about macs.

That, of course, until apple fucks him the first time...

In Jeremy's defense, I haven't seen him troll on BF in ages. IMO, he's probably one of the fairest posters on BF, myself included.

BTW, Jeremy, *I* use 9.0.4 on my iFruit. ;)

Then again, your iBook is faster than my 400mhz G3/64 mb PC.....

M.

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Mon Mar 11 16:01:37 2002

Then again, your iBook is faster than my 400mhz G3/64 mb PC.....

<tease Madan mode>Not in Quake. <tease madan mode>

:cheesy:

OscarWilde

Mon Mar 11 16:04:59 2002

you fucking post whore!!!!

every damn time i post and return to the main page i see you posted in another thread!!!

I shall post as whorish as you are right now!

phear me oh mighty AYB, oh yes phear me indeed!!!!

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

OscarWilde

Mon Mar 11 16:16:31 2002

dude why aren't you being a post whore anymore?

don't you wanna play with me?

:(

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Mon Mar 11 16:19:01 2002

I'm sorry OW, I had to make a quick phone call to my insurance agency,

My windshield is teh broke :(

and so Is I

OscarWilde

Mon Mar 11 16:28:36 2002

that si teh suck...

well me dances naked around usb hockey puck mouse praying to steve jobs that you get a job...

you have been given quite the image huh?

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Mon Mar 11 16:39:16 2002

well me dances naked around usb hockey puck mouse praying to steve jobs that you get a job...

AYB thinks that the pretty Asian Girl OW likes should join him in teh festivities :)