Fri Mar 8 07:54:19 2002

I particularily like the assertion that not only is CS not SE, but CS is limited to the theoretical and research applications of programming, and that CS programmers are like skilled tradesmen.  (these two opinions on CS I find to be highly contradictory)

I'm left wondering what all those CS guys crunching real-world code are doing then if their training is indeed only theoretical compared to a Software Engineers.  And if CS guys are like tradesmen, why did I have to take all that math and those classes telling me how bad white males are?

I make no allusions about CS being exactly like CE, or even bearing a whole lot of resemblance to EE.  But I don't think it's a whole lot different than SE.

Beyond the title at the top of the degree, or any silly laws stating whether or not you're an engineer.  What is the big diff?

I've graduated with a degree in CS and a minor in Math.  Here are all the classes I've taken for this

Programming I
Programming II
Object Oriented Design
Data Structures
Assembly
Graphics Algorithms
Operating Systems
Computer Organization
System Programming (UNIX)
Computer Languages
Internship
Advanced Computer Architecture
Senior Seminar

Calculus I
Calculus II
Calculus III
Applied Statistics
Discrete Mathematics
Numberical Analysis
Linear Algebra.

??????  

Fri Mar 8 08:05:44 2002

you know it would help to be able to show some practical use of your knowledge, like while yer waiting for teh jobs, and not posting on OSY, write a program. I know its easier said then done, but try to come up with an idea, especially for a field you are interested in and start programming something. Not a fullscale app unless you can with whatever time you have, and then host it on a website, keep yer source code ready and printed. With all that start applying for jobs and point to your website and app. If you have an interview take your program and code along with you and use that to show what you can do.

Reason i say this is that you are more likely to start of with better pay and job position then without it. People want experience or some form of practical proof versus just a degree alone. That way they won't worry about training time or if your degree will not translate to real life situations. Plus code and program shows your will to work on your own plus creativity for coming up with some program.

would you be willing to? we could work out some ideas that could be reasonable for you to start programming on.

Oh and get some visual programming software if ya don't have any on ya. That way we can come up with some cool funky app with a silly interface. We shall call it OSYWare!

yeah?

Fri Mar 8 08:29:41 2002

and you're having a difficult time finding a job?

I'd have a far less of a hard time if I knew:

Java
XML
ASP
SQL

If I knew that without all the rest of the tagnuttery, I'd be better off it seems.

Or if I was

A+ certified
Knew Novell Notware
Understood Unix better
Knew more networking

i could get a job as a network admin.

There are few programming jobs to be had right now :(

Plus I'm in a rut, I don't feel like learning a damn thing more until I find a job.  Am I sulking?

INDEEEED!

I'm rather jaded right now.  I put all this work into a BS and I can't find a job.

If I had A+ certification I could be making 30g's as a CompUSA tech.  If I knew a little more networking and novell, I could pull down 36g's.

If I was pleasing to the wimmen like Oscar Wilde, I wouldn't have to hear these loud death-screech like yowls from neighborhood animals at night :cheesy:

Fri Mar 8 08:57:27 2002

would you be willing to? we could work out some ideas that could be reasonable for you to start programming on.

Oh and get some visual programming software if ya don't have any on ya. That way we can come up with some cool funky app with a silly interface. We shall call it OSYWare!

YAY!  we could collaberate on software wOOT

Maybe we could finish StudlyOS.

Fri Mar 8 12:19:08 2002

Programming I
Programming II
Object Oriented Design
Data Structures
Assembly
Graphics Algorithms
Operating Systems
Computer Organization
System Programming (UNIX)
Computer Languages
Internship
Advanced Computer Architecture
Senior Seminar

Calculus I
Calculus II
Calculus III
Applied Statistics
Discrete Mathematics
Numberical Analysis
Linear Algebra.

??????  

You're l33t.

M.

Fri Mar 8 13:43:14 2002

If I was pleasing to the wimmen like Oscar Wilde, I wouldn't have to hear these loud death-screech like yowls from neighborhood animals at night :cheesy:

:biggrin:

Fri Mar 8 14:23:39 2002

As for ASP, SQL, and XML, I imagine you could teach yourself easily.
ASP has plenty of helpful sites out and about, like http://www.asp101.com , http://www.4guysfromrolla.com , http://www.15seconds.com , and more. asp101 is my favorite of the bunch, it's where I got my start last year. (knowing VB helps as well ;) )

SQL is easy, it's the database design that's so hard. Data shaping is an interest of mine, so I picked up on it pretty quick. I think it's an interesting language, and more powerful than I originally thought.

XML is pretty neat. Actually, the Ars forums are presented as XML run through a XSLT style sheet, I found this interesting. It's most handy use though will be things like SOAP, Web Services, and some types of dynamic websites. I'd also dearly like to see it become a new application preference standard, kind of like on OSX, only on Unix and Windows as well. (kind of like in .Net :) ) There is an xml101.com as well, but I'm not currently interested in it enough to learn a whole lot about it.

Basically, Books are your friends. :biggrin:

(you'll notice I didn't mention Java. This was no oversight. I don't like it, and I don't "do" it. :) )

Fri Mar 8 21:32:05 2002

Knew Novell Notware

Bad AYB, Bad.

Fri Mar 8 21:34:19 2002

Bad AYB, Bad.

True, but some people still use this for some odd reason.

Sat Mar 9 00:02:04 2002

Mon Mar 11 15:18:36 2002

i'd reply to your email but me house is going to be renovated so me is spending most of my time dealing with renovation stuff. Friday me moves out for a month where me has no internet access except for at work.

me not looking forward to no internet access at home.
me is internet junkie.
me thinks me brain will be effected.

me thinks brain is already effected as me keeps refering to meself self as 'me'.

Mon Mar 11 15:56:58 2002

me thinks brain is already effected as me keeps refering to meself self as 'me'

Just wait until you refer to yourself in the third person all the time.  Just like the Mighty AYB :)

Mon Mar 11 16:01:16 2002

When me comes to same rank as teh mighty AYB me shall refer to me self as the Great OW.

Mon Mar 11 16:20:58 2002

Mon Mar 11 16:30:56 2002

Mon Mar 11 16:46:31 2002

Mon Mar 11 16:49:41 2002

That's a superflous apostrophe in "...ego's at Ars".  

Indeed!