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I like old Warbirds

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Mon Feb 11 03:13:52 2002

I do, I like them very much.

I'm watching a special on the P47 Thunderbolt on the History channel.

HitScan

Mon Feb 11 03:39:47 2002

I'm a fan of the twin fusalage Lightning myself. (that may or may not be it's name, it's been a long time since I've seen it)
AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Mon Feb 11 03:45:00 2002

I'm a fan of the twin fusalage Lightning myself. (that may or may not be it's name, it's been a long time since I've seen it)

That is actually my favorite plane, no kidding.

Isn't twin fusalage, rather it posesses twin nacells.  The P62 Twin Mustang is a twin fuselage airplane.

I know more about the lighning than any other plane.  It had the distinct ability and magical power to absolutely dominate the luftwaffe when it's own engines weren't blowing up on themselves. :D

It was the allround best fighter of the war IMO, if only the British had supplied the powerplants, there would have been no argument as to this.

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Mon Feb 11 04:00:56 2002

Here's a pic Hitscan.

there's another :)

HitScan

Mon Feb 11 13:19:10 2002

Isn't twin fusalage, rather it posesses twin nacells.  The P62 Twin Mustang is a twin fuselage airplane.

Ah, as I said, I could be mistaken about a few things. :biggrin: I forgot it was built that way. But indeed, it is neat.
Harbinger

Mon Feb 11 19:51:13 2002

Sure is a purty plane.
AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Mon Feb 11 21:07:50 2002

Indeed it is a pretty plane.

Any questions as to it's kick assedness? :)

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Mon Feb 11 22:04:44 2002

I do so like WWII aviation and would be pleased if any of you wished to tap my decent sized knowledge of this subject. :)

Shoould I grace everyone with a synopsis of what I think about each major airforce and how each improved throughout the conflict?

Should I talk about general tactics and Plane versus Plane attributes?  If so, which one's do you want to hear about?

Anything?

HitScan

Mon Feb 11 22:50:17 2002

KO, which do you think would win this fight: an A-10 Warthog, which can fly home with better than a full quarter or more of the plan missing, or the P-38?

Remember why the A-10 was built. ;) :biggrin:

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Mon Feb 11 22:59:01 2002

Silly Hitscan, there was no A10 during the second world war.

:tongue:

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Mon Feb 11 23:18:18 2002

somebody humor me as I feel like discussing this right now :(
AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Mon Feb 11 23:32:55 2002

Should I start off by saying that the P-38, individually, was a much better performing aircraft than the Mustang.  It's true!  though to say such is heresy amongst teenage neerdowells who think that the Mustang looks cool, has a cool name, and therefore must have been the single most best dogfighing craft ever devised.

Silly willy's :)

HitScan

Tue Feb 12 00:46:23 2002

Silly Hitscan, there was no A10 during the second world war.

No indeed, as it would have been frighteningly shorter. That doesn't answer my question though :biggrin:
AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Tue Feb 12 00:58:03 2002

I don't think any plane flying today or at any time would be a match for Paul Hill in a Sopwith Camel :)

Don't ask me why I say that though.

Harbinger

Tue Feb 12 15:22:18 2002

AYB,

In a theoretical dogfight, assuming pilots of equal creaminess, which plane would win and why:

Corsair vs. Hellcat

We'll assume land-based launch.

pauli

Tue Feb 12 15:49:29 2002

all this talk of the lightning, and nothing about the chain lightning? jeez.
AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Tue Feb 12 16:02:01 2002

Bless your heart Harb! :)

A quick note on dogfight speculation, it does not always follow that the better airplane with an equal pilot on equal terms will always win.  I mean, look at the Battle of Midway:  The US was out-nubmered, had far inferior airplanes, and the Japanese pilots were individually the best pilots in the theatre at the time.

That did not keep them from getting thier butts kicked.

Corsair versus Hellcat:

In a word, I and most peops who understand the basic tenents of air combat during the time would pick the Corsair as the clear favorite, all else being "equal".

The reason is simple, the Corsair could out-run, out-dive, and out-climb the Hellcat and could therefore more easily get an altitude advantage or escape from a bad situation.  Being able to dictate the terms of a fight is of the utmost importance.

The Hellcat is a far more agile airplane than the corsair.  It was built with a captured Zero as a model.  It quite possibly had the advantage of initial accelleration and most likely could perform better in high angle of attack manuevers.  A corsair pilot that insisted on trying to out turn, out loop a Hellcat in a speed bleeding dogfight would have a very short lifespan indeed.

So in essense, a corsair pilot would want to use it's rate of climb to it's advantage, get above the `Cat,  Dive down on it from height, attack, zoom back up to altitude and repeat the manuever.

Most sim pilots call this tactic the 'boom-and-zoom'

does this answer your question? :)

Imitation Gruel

Wed Feb 13 13:58:43 2002

Warplanes are cool.
AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Wed Feb 13 17:47:34 2002

Warbird are indeed cool!

What warbird(s) does IG like in particular? :)

Imitation Gruel

Wed Feb 13 18:08:50 2002

In general, bomber planes.

But I've always had a soft spot for the F-14 Tomcat. I believe it was a wonderful piece of machinery for the time; it had an appealing (to me) design, and I like cats so the name was good too.

Harbinger

Wed Feb 13 20:03:59 2002

I used to have a Corsair simulator for the Amiga, way-back-when.  It was quite difficult for a non-hardcore-simmer such as myself, but it was certainly fun to play.  IIRC, it was the first flight sim on the Amiga done in hi-res interlaced mode (640x400 NTSC).  That was pretty much the reason I bought it; that, and I knew some of the people who coded, before they went off to do that project.
AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Wed Feb 13 20:14:52 2002

The Corsair was probably the best Carrier based plane of the war.  :)

Though Spitfire enthusiests, and supporters of the Hellcat and Zero may argue the point.

Harbinger

Thu Feb 14 06:42:16 2002

What piqued my interest is that, a few days ago on either History Channel or Discovery Wings, I saw a show dedicated to the Corsair.  They noted that while the plane was teh win, carrier-based landings were especially difficult because of how far back the cockpit was (making the landing space very difficult to see).  They also noted that the planes had a tendency to bounce when hitting the surface, causing their tailhooks to bounce over the snag lines.

It was also noted that the Brits devised a way around much of this problem, by approaching the carrier on a curve (rather than straight-on) and swooping in, thus minimizing the amount of time the landing surface was horribly out of view.

But since I'm in no position to verify this personally, I can only take their word on it. ;)

AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Thu Feb 14 16:51:09 2002

I saw the same special,

but did you miss the one on the THUNDERBOLT?

:)

Harbinger

Thu Feb 14 17:39:34 2002

from AllYorBaseRBelong2Us posted at 11:51 am on Feb. 14, 2002

I saw the same special,

but did you miss the one on the THUNDERBOLT?

:)

Apparently so.