Thu Feb 7 14:25:27 2002
Right now i have in one browser window three tabs for the forums i visit. pegasus3d, xlr8yourmac, and arstechncia. Its nice keeping all the forums in one window. And I could use two more tabs before the top of the window looks cluttured.
Very nice feature.
I give this feature a 5 out of 5 for a nice and simple touch that adds to the experience. Props to teh developers.
Thu Feb 7 14:32:30 2002
But it does sound interesting.
Thu Feb 7 18:16:14 2002
Fri Feb 8 06:13:13 2002
I'm using it on win2k right now and i haven't noticed any glitches yet.
Fri Feb 8 19:26:26 2002
What's better about the tabs than just starting three browser sessions?
(Edited by PaulHill at 11:27 am on Feb. 8, 2002)
Fri Feb 8 23:23:58 2002
that said, the only time i use anything like tabs is for irc, but i may stop even that. i find them largely irritating.
Fri Feb 8 23:43:35 2002
An exception is made here of course for MDI apps like Visual Studio.NET or PhotoShop, as multiple windows tend to be related to the same project.
Sat Feb 9 01:05:13 2002
as for taskbar grouping, i have no idea how it works so i won't comment on it.
Sat Feb 9 01:10:00 2002
Sat Feb 9 02:14:33 2002
Sat Feb 9 03:44:56 2002
and if you open several threads from the same message board, are they not part of the same "project?"
This is distinct from the source files I have in VS.NET, which cannot compile without one another.
Taskbar grouping is a better solution to the same problem, with a better UI.
Sat Feb 9 04:42:45 2002
thanks for the double standards and contradictons.
Sat Feb 9 06:58:45 2002
When I have 8 IE windows open I don't want to have to click on the fucking taskbar, and select the window from a list! It's horrible. I *WANT* my taskbar cluttered and full o' shit.
Wait a second, all I have to do is turn it off.
/me is 'tarded.
Smack me, somone quickly, I think I may be becoming dumber.
Sat Feb 9 07:57:07 2002
Sat Feb 9 08:41:48 2002
What are you doing in front of your computer on a saturday afternoon anyway? Should you be out having fun someplace?
Sat Feb 9 09:16:04 2002
from PaulHill posted at 6:14 pm on Feb. 8, 2002
XP''s solution at worst is no worse than tabs. At worst. Every single window is at most a click-drag-release away.
Sometimes I'd rather the taskbar not group them at all. But then, if I switch to using other applications, I don't want the taskbar cluttered with all my open web pages. In fact I would say, that tabs at its worse is as good as taskbar grouping, but is often much better.
Sat Feb 9 10:44:10 2002
Sat Feb 9 10:48:12 2002
Sat Feb 9 14:35:39 2002
from OscarWilde posted at 4:42 am on Feb. 9, 2002
:rolleyes:thanks for the double standards and contradictons.
MDI makes sense when there is an interdependence between the windows.
Web pages have no such dependence, hence tabs are stupid. Each page is a distinct "unit", deserving an entire taskbar button.
Files in my IDE do, so tabs are sensible. The files have to be treated together, because independently they're meaningless. Hence, they should only have a single taskbar button.
Sun Feb 10 01:08:11 2002
XP - The OS for people too stupid to make decisions.
Sun Feb 10 12:33:02 2002
Which is lucky, otherwise PhotoShop would never start.
Mon Feb 11 03:38:14 2002
Anyvaaayyy!!!! I still think tabs are a nice feature. The key thing is:
a) It don't break the taskbar at all.
b) You have the choice to use it or don't. To me THAT ADDS to a UI. Everyone has different work habits and preferences. That is evident by the various GUI philosophies that exist on various platforms and also by the mod's people make to their GUI.
Now regarding interdependant windows and what not.
I agree with the stuff about programming and keeping things organised within a window. Thats what I like about project builer versus Code Warrior.
The other nice thing about Project Builder (i'm not sure if its on MS compilers, but if it is, thats great) is the ability to have a lot of projects 'loaded' in a frame to the left of the main working window and then just choosing which projects you want to compile but still allowing you to work with various files without having to open up the files seperately.
Now here is the thing. Interdendancy does not have to be strictly files that are related absolutely, although that is what it means by definition.
Again its a choice. The way i set up my work flow I prefer a heirarchy of keeping sites within a window. I often have many many files and windows open. So to me having the browser which for me sits idle most of the time, i can create a window for forums and then within that window set tabs for various forums i visit. The same for news sites and so on. Then i minimize those windows and leave it in the taskbar till i need it.
The other thing is that I like to keep my taskbar at the minimum size. I dislike having the task bar taking to much of the screen real estate.
Again its a personal preference for the way i work and organize my work flow. I like a vertical heirarchy that tabs allow versus horizontal heirarchy that the task bar inforces.
Remember this: I don't like the dock in OS X either. So its not platform specific. Its not a complete dislike as I do find the dock/taskbar useful, but only to maintain the top most heirarchy of my work flow within that space.
Two years ago when I was still writing a lot in my spare time I noticed that one of the features I wanted most in MS word was something similar to tabs where I could allocate sections for chapters. I even wrote to msoft's people that handled consumer suggestions to add give a choice of seperating a word document into 'tabs'. That would be ideal for writers and college students who need to keep their work seperated. It makes it SOOOO MUCH easier to work with.
Introduction 'tab'
Chapter 1 'tab'
Chatper 2 'tab'
etc...
Bibligoraphy 'tab' (for college students or research papers)
Appendix 'tab'
You get the idea.
So back to the topic, it comes down to what you want and the choice you have. Hence why the contradictions and double standards. You always hear at the BF about how PC users have choices galore but introduce a method against the 'Msoft' way and its no no no, how dare you go against what msoft dictates. Fuck I wasn't saying YOU HAD TO USE IT. I merely said I like that the CHOICE IS there.
So yeah, all your reasons above are valid but it hardly constitutes to how everyone should work. After all we are different because of the very fact of how we as individuals organize and order the information we get every second of our lives. Other wise we would have no Einstein, no Mother Theresa, no Denzel Washington, no Osama Bin Ladin. Or coversly, if we were all the same then we would either be all Einstiens or Mother Theresa, etc., etc. or just all neanderthals.
;) :)