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Mozilla: Microsoft should shiver in their panties

OscarWilde

Sun Jan 27 16:54:41 2002

I'm impressed with how much better mozilla seems to be getting.

It still takes for ever to launch, but the render speeds make up for lost time.

I'm still using IE on my mac because with Mozilla after maybe an hour of surfing the program freezes for some odd reason.

What i don't get though is why IE on my PC and on a few other PC's gets so screwy too.

For example, www.cnn.com takes for fucking ever to render on IE 6 on my Win2k dual 866 but on mozilla it's near instant rendering.
BUT, for most sites IE 6 renders very fast. So why is it jsut CNN?

So freaking odd.

And then whats with the 'empty shell' bug?

I remember over at my friends house he'd start up IE (he uses Win ME) and you'd get the frame of IE, for example, the address bar and menu bar but smack dab in the middle where your home page or a blank page should be is a clear window to whatever is 'beneath' IE such as the desktop.

This is starting to happen on IE 6 on my pc at work too????

Whats up with that.

Anyway my friend couldn't fix the problem and now uses Netscape although I told him to switch to mozilla. And i'm wondering if i have to start doing the same.

i can't figure out what the dealeo is with this little quirk.
everything else works fine.

So its cnn and this display problem that makes one wonder just what the hell is going on!!!!!

One more thing: what is with the little icon in the address bar for mozilla? If you goto cnn yo get a little red cnn logo. Goto google, you get the google logo icon, and so on. Granted the stuffy uncreative pragamtic boring little fuckers some of you are who may think its a useless, I on the other hand like the attention to detail.

Thats all for now.

OscarWilde

Sun Jan 27 16:56:20 2002

is there something intrinsic to the cnn html coding that makes IE choke like a woman trying to deep throat my huge penis?

;)

OscarWilde

Sun Jan 27 17:09:17 2002

Just to explain what I mean: You see the way CNN is written in red letters in the above image? (hopefully the image loads). Well in the address bar to the left of the "http://www.cnn.com" you get a small icon with the red cnn logo.
Now when i drag my mouse over it the arrow turns into a 'glove' or hand which i can then drag the icon over the browser window or as to another browser like IE which would then start to load up in IE as well.

Harbinger

Sun Jan 27 17:42:54 2002

Dunno why it takes so long on your box; IE6 on my XP box rendered it in a few seconds.  Opera 6, however, takes forever and a day to load it.

Just to explain what I mean: You see the way CNN is written in red letters in the above image? (hopefully the image loads). Well in the address bar to the left of the "http://www.cnn.com" you get a small icon with the red cnn logo.
Now when i drag my mouse over it the arrow turns into a 'glove' or hand which i can then drag the icon over the browser window or as to another browser like IE which would then start to load up in IE as well.

That's normal behavior, though I don't get the 'glove' you refer to.  You using it on your Mac?

DrPizza

Sun Jan 27 18:03:10 2002

And then whats with the 'empty shell' bug?

I remember over at my friends house he'd start up IE (he uses Win ME) and you'd get the frame of IE, for example, the address bar and menu bar but smack dab in the middle where your home page or a blank page should be is a clear window to whatever is 'beneath' IE such as the desktop.

This is starting to happen on IE 6 on my pc at work too????

Whats up with that.


I have no idea what the fuck you mean, actually.  Can you take a picture?

Mozilla is generally slower, and generally leakier, and generally less capable on extreme pages, and I can't abide by its UI at all.

"oh, but it has tabs!"

@_@

OscarWilde

Mon Jan 28 05:49:11 2002

how do i take screen captures in Win2K?

I could use the help files but am I to lazy to do that? Yes I am!

seriously though, i'll take a screen capture when i find out how.

DuffMan

Mon Jan 28 09:38:08 2002

Um, print screen. Just out of curiousity, how do you do it on a mac?
AllYorBaseRBelong2Us

Mon Jan 28 11:46:10 2002

Hit Printscreen, paste into MS Paint
Imitation Gruel

Mon Jan 28 11:53:08 2002

MS Paint = teh win

It's because that's what DuffMan used to make his hilarious DrPizza/RQE porno movie. Which was also teh win, in another way.

Imitation Gruel

Mon Jan 28 11:53:40 2002

I have no comment on Mozilla because I've never used it and don't intend to anytime soon.
OscarWilde

Mon Jan 28 12:29:48 2002

so is that printscreen and then paste or will printscreen make a file like it does on the mac?

i believe on the mac the command is: "command shift a" or some such deal. I always forget.

There are two types for us, one with full screen capture and the other where you can select the area of the screen you want to capture with yer mouse. And then you hear a 'camera click' where you then get a .pict file saved in your root directory. (If memory serves me correctly).

Harbinger

Mon Jan 28 14:42:38 2002

from OscarWilde posted at 7:29 am on Jan. 28, 2002

so is that printscreen and then paste or will printscreen make a file like it does on the mac?

No, hitting Print Screen only stores it in the clipboard.  You can then go into whatever paint app you prefer (MS Paint is usually stated cuz it's included in the OS) and do a Paste/ctrl-V -- then save the pic.

If you want to just capture a WINDOW instead of the full SCREEN, hit Alt-PrintScreen instead.

I usually use this method when I'm writing documentation with screen shots.  If many many screen shots are required, I'd use a 3rd-party app that will do things like save the pics automatically to a folder, using incrementally-named files.

OscarWilde

Mon Jan 28 16:23:41 2002

thanks for the input. Now one more question, what is 'tabs' that peter mentions?
HitScan

Mon Jan 28 16:55:15 2002

thanks for the input. Now one more question, what is 'tabs' that peter mentions?

Some magical UI widget that is only slightly more mind-numbingly annoying than most Explorer Bars. i.e. a waste of code.
DeAthe

Tue Jan 29 14:50:39 2002

Well, for laughs I decided to try Mozilla on my XP box. I've been using it on my linux box for quite a while now, but I saw that the .98 was avail in the nightly builds.

It renders faster, appears to be stable, has a problem doing scrolling on large images, tends to be slower that way.

Is it a complete IE replacement for the MS platform? I don't think so, not yet. But it's gotten damn good lately.

Riso

Tue Jan 29 18:44:58 2002

MOZILLA IS A FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT.

FUCK YOU ALL YOU INCESTRIDDEN DEGENERATED MOTHERFUCKING PIECE OF SHITS.

Harbinger

Tue Jan 29 19:59:18 2002

from Riso posted at 1:44 pm on Jan. 29, 2002

MOZILLA IS A FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT.

FUCK YOU ALL YOU INCESTRIDDEN DEGENERATED MOTHERFUCKING PIECE OF SHITS.

Riso: Well said. :tongue:

DeAthe

Tue Jan 29 23:13:31 2002

Riso: I sense some hostility in your response. Where you abused by mozilla as a child? :)
Magus

Tue Jan 29 23:37:41 2002

Now Riso, you've got to quit being so subtle. Tell us what you really think. :)
OscarWilde

Wed Jan 30 03:16:49 2002

I never said Mozzila could replace IE, at least in its current incarnation, but it's getting better and better with every build. I use Mozzila on sites that IE chokes on.

Besides why can't Msoft make IE on mac fast? IE on the mac has some features that for some reason is lacking on the PC. That doesn't make sense to me at all.

For example:
1) Select a text in the browser and then drag the selected text to the address bar. This helps when you read an article that has a http address but no link. So just select the address and drag it to the address bar.
2) Select a link on a webpage and then drag it to the address bar and it'll take you to what the link points you too. I admit I have no idea why msoft would code this in but I'm assuming since you can drag text they figured they needed a seperate solution for dragging links.
3) YOu can drag pictures to the address bar.
4) You can open frames in seperate windows with 'right clicking'. Why doesn't IE on the PC have this?
5) IE on mac os x allows you to copy a link to the clipboard. Even better is that you can right click on an image and then copy the address of the image into the clipboard. Nice feature I don't see on Mac OS 9 IE and Win 2K IE.
6) You can use another browser and then drag the address or links right into the middle of an open IE window which then IE starts to load automagically. This drag and drop feature is pretty nice when you're doing a bunch of research and want to keep current content alive.

There is a whole bunch more where Msoft has created some really nice features (again the attention to detail which I like) that I don't see on the PC IE. Very odd. I wonder if part of it has to do with the 'drag and drop' paradigm in Mac OS versus Windows?

edit: i have a feeling i might have mentioned some features that are available on the PC version of IE. I'm just pulling this from memory, but I do know there are some differences in how IE handles stuff on mac and the pc.

(Edited by OscarWilde at 10:19 am on Jan. 30, 2002)

OscarWilde

Wed Jan 30 03:28:53 2002

OOPS!!!!

So you can drag links and pictures to the address bar. Cool.

I was thrown of by the little 'circle and diagonal' image you get before you reach the address bar. Hmmmm....

How do you open a frame in a seperate window?

DrPizza

Wed Jan 30 05:04:07 2002

1) Select a text in the browser and then drag the selected text to the address bar. This helps when you read an article that has a http address but no link. So just select the address and drag it to the address bar.

I suppose this would be nice... but because of the next thing, 99% of the time it would be unnecessary.

2) Select a link on a webpage and then drag it to the address bar and it'll take you to what the link points you too. I admit I have no idea why msoft would code this in but I'm assuming since you can drag text they figured they needed a seperate solution for dragging links.

This is very usful, and I use it a lot.

3) YOu can drag pictures to the address bar.

I can, but I haven't ever bothered, because I'm not sure why I'd want to.

4) You can open frames in seperate windows with 'right clicking'. Why doesn't IE on the PC have this?

It does, except it's shift-clicking instead, because right-clicking is used -- across the board -- for context menus.

5) IE on mac os x allows you to copy a link to the clipboard. Even better is that you can right click on an image and then copy the address of the image into the clipboard. Nice feature I don't see on Mac OS 9 IE and Win 2K IE.

I do.  To copy the link, right click, "copy shortcut".  To copy the picture location, download the IE Powertoys (or maybe it's the IE developer tools), then right click, "copy image location".

6) You can use another browser and then drag the address or links right into the middle of an open IE window which then IE starts to load automagically. This drag and drop feature is pretty nice when you're doing a bunch of research and want to keep current content alive.

IE only lets you do it in Windows if the application you're dragging from identifies it as a hyperlink.  This seems fair enough.

There is a whole bunch more where Msoft has created some really nice features (again the attention to detail which I like) that I don't see on the PC IE. Very odd. I wonder if part of it has to do with the 'drag and drop' paradigm in Mac OS versus Windows?

It seems that most of them exist in the Windows versions.


OscarWilde

Wed Jan 30 05:28:10 2002

by most you mean some i require an additional download?

what the hey is IE powertoys? and linkage please.

DrPizza

Wed Jan 30 07:50:50 2002

One of these (I don't remember, they're all occasionally useful)
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/previous/webaccess/ie5wa.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/previous/webaccess/pwrtwks.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/previous/webaccess/webdevaccess.asp

They all say "IE 5 only, won't work on IE 6".

This is a lie.

DuffMan

Wed Jan 30 09:34:39 2002

Well i think you can drag and drop text to the address bar on a Mac because they have no right click (well most of them). And so you wouldnt be able to right click, select copy and paste. Of course you could copy with the keyboard, but they probably added the drag-drop so there was an all-mouse way to do it.

I wish the PC version had it, it would be great for opening links that cant be directly linked to, like pr0n.