Fri Nov 30 04:22:47 2001
should I get an old Sun Box to run this on?
Fri Nov 30 05:21:29 2001
from AllYorBaseRBelong2Us posted at 11:22 pm on Nov. 29, 2001
Hmm does anyone here know anything about this?
About what? Just "planning your website"? :confused:
should I get an old Sun Box to run this on?
I think some parts are missing from your message; I'm just not seeing the entire picture.
When you wrote, "planning my own web site" I implied that you were wanting to plan how its pages were laid out. Do you want to run it from home? Are you asking about the actual hosting of the site? More details, man! ;)
Fri Nov 30 05:27:34 2001
Do you want to run it from home? Are you asking about the actual hosting of the site? More details, man!
Indeed!
I want to run it from home on a DSL or Cable. I'll try to work e-mail in there too.
That way I can make it a massive and silly site without dealing with geoshitties or any limitations imposed by other sites.
It will focus on OW and his poopyness as well as cross platform computing and stuff.
I'll also host my own pics.
I know next to nothing about it.
thanks.
Fri Nov 30 05:31:37 2001
I have several copies of Frontpage and so forth that I could use. Fusk, I don't even know the software I'll need for this.
I'm really starting from scratch here and I don't have a clue (now I know how riso feels most of the time ;) )
Fri Nov 30 12:57:47 2001
Stick with raw HTML code. *Trust Me*. There's evrsoft.com
They give a FREE, AWESOME web code app that has a lot of features at the click of a button and a design pane. That will be enough.
If it were me, I'd just host it on Win 98 or Win 2k. Why sun?(because I'd want to run CF and ASP)...
Graphics? Photoshop. Period. It's the best. It is.
If you need anything, let me know.
BTW, I want my email from AYB.com.
Hmmm..... madan@johnsonfromwisconsin.com
Muahahahahahhahahaha!
Errr...whatever.
Mad!
Fri Nov 30 15:21:27 2001
from AllYorBaseRBelong2Us posted at 12:27 am on Nov. 30, 2001
Indeed!I want to run it from home on a DSL or Cable. I'll try to work e-mail in there too. ... I know next to nothing about it.
Well, I'd say skip the Sun box and set up a Linux or BSD x86 machine, since the OS/software can be had for free (can't speak for your setup time) and there are numerous HOWTOs out there on how to set up a web server. (Of course, not to mention LKF over at Ars. ;))
Or, if you already have a server license for NT4 or 2K, you can use that and run Apache or IIS (no jokes, you knuckleheads: I've run several websites securely from IIS).
Theoretically you could also use Personal Web Server (PWS) or other low-end webservers on a 9x box, but I wouldn't recommend it.
I'd definitely suggest using a dedicated box to host the web server, at the very least. Heck, I could send ya an old Pentium box and some of my linux CDs to help ya get started. ;)
Fri Nov 30 16:15:54 2001
a silent box with no fans.
Fri Nov 30 21:16:07 2001
Sat Dec 1 01:16:07 2001
Just block all unused ports.
Sat Dec 1 03:16:01 2001
I would avoid IIS. It is teh suck.
You also have to consider if you're going to run scripts or just plain html code. And if you want to use cgi or asp. I would go with cgi because you get a lot more resources on the internet for them, plus you can download a lot more stuff for free.
As for email. Exchange is teh suck.
For web page design i disagree with Madan to an extent. If you're not pro, don't bother with wasting time on html code. Just get some wysiwyg just to make life easy. Html code isn't hard, but like all coding, its redundant as hell for doing some simple tasks. None the less its a good thing to learn.
I tend to goto various sites that I like and just check out the source code and then copy, paste and modify them. Which is my trademarked wysiwyg method. :biggrin:
Although I have dreamweaver, its a bitch when you got to deal with different browsers and platforms. :tongue:
Windows NT is teh suck.
Go linux or some other *nix os.
Sat Dec 1 06:50:18 2001
a silent box with no fans.
Ahem. [url=http://www.shuttleonline.com/sv24.htm]Shuttle SV24[/url] with a [url=http://www.viatech.com/en/viac3/c3.jsp]Via C3 800MHz[/url], a PCI videocard, and a [url=http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/marketing/detail/0,1121,384,00.html]quiet hard drive[/url] in one of [url=http://www.quietpc.com/silentdrive.html]these.[/url]
Add a quiet optical drive and this box should be pretty damn quiet.
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(Edited by Imitation Gruel at 10:00 am on Dec. 2, 2001)
Sun Dec 2 04:01:45 2001
I could just strap the Eiffel Tower to it in a strong wind and it should run fine.
Sun Dec 2 05:06:02 2001
Sun Dec 2 05:18:45 2001
:cheesy:
Sun Dec 2 06:46:20 2001
maybe a huge ham sandwich with mayonaise and a large dab of arctic silver thermal paste in the middle might convect the heat from the die to teh eiffel tower more efficently.
Everyonce in a while it would be a good idea to piss on the parts of the P4 you couldn't cover with the ham and arctic sliver sandwich.
maybe i'll give you some of my "quick to cool you poop™", a patent pending and trademarked technology that will change the landscape of desktop computers the world over.
Sun Dec 2 06:57:03 2001
Sun Dec 2 15:31:54 2001
You also have to consider if you're going to run scripts or just plain html code. And if you want to use cgi or asp. I would go with cgi because you get a lot more resources on the internet for them, plus you can download a lot more stuff for free.
errrrnt! ASP is *much* better to use. You can disable CGI 5(if you have it installed) and save yourself a WORLD of headaches in terms of unauthorized haxOring. Plus, you can also get TONS of free stuff, that's just plug and play, in ASP. Just go to google and type in "free ASP code". There's PLENTY around. I know, because my calendar, chat sites and mailer scripts all came from there and those are the *easy* uncomplicated ones. Plus, it's easier because there's no altering pls to cgis or vice versa...etc..etc. If you run Linux just get yourself a freeboot version of chiliASP and you're good to go. ASP is much harder to bypass than PERL/CGI and it's faster also. Besides, are you going to be scripting in PERL? Poopy thinks HTML is too much to learn but what about PERL? That's NOT hard or time consuming????
Actually, if it were me, I'd use Win2k, clamp all ports and and add the Black ICE firewall from downloads.com running on the *same* server. The fw is free and acclaimed for being tough to circumvent. Then, I'd use CF, the third most prevalent development environ(after CGI and ASP), which has less hacks proportionally AND is *by far* the *easiest* way of setting up a KICK ASS dynamic web site. AYB, just look at the Cold Fusion tute at webmonkey and TELL me if that isn't the easiest, most exciting set up... :)
You can get a copy of free CF lite(run most CF scripts) at allaire.com
If they removed it, I can get you a copy.
As for email. Exchange is teh suck.
Poopy is teh right.
For web page design i disagree with Madan to an extent. If you're not pro, don't bother with wasting time on html code. Just get some wysiwyg just to make life easy. Html code isn't hard, but like all coding, its redundant as hell for doing some simple tasks. None the less its a good thing to learn.
This is where ASP and JSP includes come in. Use CSS2/1 and ASP to make short work of large sites by reusing code blocks. If you use straight WYSIWYG, you're going to have poorly deved sites that:
A. Blow up on some browsers, platforms and machines.
B. Slide around and won't give you the look you want.
C. Will look like a 6th grade science project.
The johnsonfromwisconsin site *must* look teh coolness! :)
I tend to goto various sites that I like and just check out the source code and then copy, paste and modify them. Which is my trademarked wysiwyg method.
:eww:
Although I have dreamweaver, its a bitch when you got to deal with different browsers and platforms.
All WYSIWYG are like that. Frontpage is too. Show me a web page built in FP and I'll show you crap that blows up on Mac MS IE, read: sony.com.
Windows NT is teh suck.
NT is fine if you clamp down on the security.
Go linux or some other *nix os.
LOL! I love it. Poopy is a Mac man, preaching *Nix, Win users preach *Nix too and me, a Macalot, preaching Wintel.
:)
M.
Sun Dec 2 18:02:34 2001
I just assumed that my experience would more closely reflect AYB because his needs would be the same as mine. Simple and easy without any learning curve of any sort and just get the shit up and running.
Anyway, I think you have far more experinece in web design then any of us here. So i'd be listening to what you have to say. You are the PeterB of webdesign (not really a compliment since I don't think that highly of PeterB as other people do), but you know your stuff.
Off course networking, even my half ass piddly attemp at NT admin at work could kick you networking knowledge up and down poopy alley...
:cheesy:
Sun Dec 2 18:35:25 2001
The only think I need now is the Boxen to run this on and an NT based license.
How easy is linux development?? I haven't touched that for a llllloooooooong time! But I feel the need to try to use this as an excuse to learn how to use *Nix better.
Sun Dec 2 18:39:02 2001
Sun Dec 2 18:45:32 2001
BTW, assuming I'm going Nix/BSD, how could I go about the development of my site before my box is even made? Could I import stuff like overall design of the pages and whatnot while I save up $$ to build the server with?
Sun Dec 2 20:15:10 2001
Basically, if you know what you're targeting (PHP, ASP, plain HTML, etc) you can have the whole site made before you get the box. You just might have a hard time testing it ;)
Sun Dec 2 21:28:36 2001
thanks for the links d00de! :)
I've been checking out your links and that Shuttle bare-bonez system is suite, but I already have a few parts (like just about everyone else) that I could use toward this end. Plus it is kind of expensive for what it gives you (a $30 case and a $75 motherboard)
I have a suitable case (might need a silent PwSup), i need a motherboard which I'll probably pick up from Agora or something. I may use this OC'ed celeron 533 (at stock speed of course) from my main unit if I get that Tualeron upgrade.
So maybe:
BX Mobo $40
Hard Drive Silencer from IG's link @$35
20gig ATA100 Quite HD $80-$100
Big Heatsink for Processor $20
10/100 NIC $10
okay??
Sun Dec 2 22:34:33 2001
thanks for the links d00de!
You're quite welcome.
Plus it is kind of expensive for what it gives you
It is, but it's well engineered and it means you don't have to assemble anything. It just seemed picture perfect for what you're aiming to do.
BX Mobo $40
Hard Drive Silencer from IG's link @$35
20gig ATA100 Quite HD $80-$100
Big Heatsink for Processor $20
10/100 NIC $10
The Shuttle FV24 has integrated ethernet, which saves you a bit of money. The Via C3 800MHz can be run without a fan and without a heatsink, which saves you money. If you got a PCI videocard that didn't need any fans, the only fan in your box would be the small case fan that the system comes with.
The hard drives I linked you to are apparently damn near inaudible, and the Hard Drive Silencer lessens the noise even more. QuietPC (the business) also sells videocard sinks so that you have some cooling there if you insist. And a Via C3 800MHz (due to 133MHz FSB) should outperform a Celeron 533MHz, while running even cooler and quieter.
Then all you have to worry about is finding a quiet optical drive. A low-speed CD-ROM (no need 4 DVD) from Asus should make virtually no noise.
You'd spend a bit more, but your system should be absolutely silent, or at least inaudible.
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(Edited by Imitation Gruel at 2:38 pm on Dec. 2, 2001)
Sun Dec 2 22:50:10 2001
Sun Dec 2 22:58:45 2001
A note: there are distributions of Linux for servers and routers that literally run off a single floppy. If you use one of those you won't have any GUI overhead and very little OS overhead period.
[url=http://www.coyotelinux.com]Here's one.[/url] If you used that or an equivalent, you wouldn't need a HD or CD-ROM. It's up to you.
Sun Dec 2 23:48:35 2001
from HitScan posted at 7:39 pm on Dec. 2, 2001
it won't build on my NetBSD box at work :mad: :mad:
Binaries 0wn j00!
Mon Dec 3 02:56:08 2001
Well Madan I'd agree with everything you say only because I'm not a hardcore or even softcore webmaster. I don't deal with websites other then making sure my local server is up and running or making changes to some pages.I just assumed that my experience would more closely reflect AYB because his needs would be the same as mine. Simple and easy without any learning curve of any sort and just get the shit up and running.
Hm. I think you give me too much credit. I *don't* think I can web dev as well as well as you can network, fe. Still, I think that the choice should be whether he wants to tinker or whether he wants to build a site. Does he want to build an effective growing site or does he want to sacrifice some of that for the chance to learn Linux(which I think is better than BSD, btw).
Anyway, I think you have far more experinece in web design then any of us here. So i'd be listening to what you have to say. You are the PeterB of webdesign (not really a compliment since I don't think that highly of PeterB as other people do), but you know your stuff.
:/ Again, you really don't have to say that. I obviously am NOT the PeterB of web on this board. The PeterB would be....well, PeterB.
To be honest, AYB could set up a quick page using his very same license of Win 98 PWS and use a firewall and proper patches and it would be reasonably fine because he wouldn't be using the machine for many other things. Moreso, he'd have the ability to use PERL/CGI, PHP(actmod), ASP, CF and others, whereas a *Nix would limit his choices significantly.
Off course networking, even my half ass piddly attemp at NT admin at work could kick you networking knowledge up and down poopy alley...
No doubt. :)
Mad.
Mon Dec 3 03:54:00 2001
from AllYorBaseRBelong2Us posted at 5:50 pm on Dec. 2, 2001
Should 512 Rum be sufficient??
Bacardi, Captain Morgan, or some other brand? :biggrin:
Mon Dec 3 05:28:36 2001
Slip of the keys there Harb :cheesy:
Well, how about my layout? Should I use the frontpage from my [url=http://www.geocities.com/johnsonfromwisconsin/index.html]Geoshitties Shite[/url]?
Mon Dec 3 07:19:07 2001
Plus I won't have to find a newer soc370 mobo with a 133fsb to facilitate it.
So:
533 Celeron (free)
128-512 Rum :cheesy: ($20-$50)
Antec Case (pretty quiet) (free)
Silent Power Supply (maybe I'll strip the fan out of one)
Floppy (got a spare, who doesn't???)
Seagate 20gig hd ($80)
CDROM(I have a spare 8x or something, why the heck do I need one after the initial install?)(free)
Video (I have a 16mb AGP TNT or a 1mb trident pci laying around somewhere) (free)
Silent drive enclosure ($35)
Socket 370 Fin ($30)
10/100 NIC To the network($15) in Agora
base-10 NIC for connection to Web service (got one)
BX Mobo ($40 from Agora)
Linux or FreeBSD (free) or Win2000 (@$150)
total @$250-$400
Mon Dec 3 10:45:24 2001
from AllYorBaseRBelong2Us posted at 8:01 pm on Dec. 1, 2001
Actually, I'd figure I could run an Pentium4 fanless.
Just out of interest, how slow do the p4s go when you rip the heatsink off, like Tomshardware did? Still usable?
Fri Dec 7 23:24:05 2001
BTW, would I need a static IP address for hosting my own site???? or would a dynamic suffice?
Fri Dec 7 23:46:14 2001
(Edited by Magus at 5:52 pm on Dec. 7, 2001)
Sat Dec 8 01:33:55 2001
from AllYorBaseRBelong2Us posted at 6:24 pm on Dec. 7, 2001
BTW, would I need a static IP address for hosting my own site???? or would a dynamic suffice?
Static would be generally easier, but if you have a dynamic IP then you would/should use a service like [url=http://www.dyndns.org/]DynDNS.org[/url] to make your life simpler and your website, well, reachable.
Tue Dec 11 05:28:53 2001
Well, it will cost me $60 a month for 5 static IP addresses and so fourth.
I've made a few decisions on my server as well:
It will run 2k initially using Apache, unless Hitscan can convince me otherwise by saying "It's really not that hard to set up BSD as a web/internet sharing server/firewall. All you have to do is X,Y,Z"
I will prolly sit in the agora classified looking for a k6-2/socket 7 combo I can use.
I'll just rip a spare 13gig out of my main machine, use 64mb SDRAM I have laying around, along with a 1mb Trident PCI card and a spare 10base NIC.
All I need is a 10/100 NIC and some more rum
Wed Dec 12 13:25:12 2001
Actually, I can answer specific questions, but saying "this is how you start, then you do this and then you're done" is really hard for me. I skip steps really bad when I try to explain things. I can try though:
First, make sure all your hardware is supported, this is a big one. (More specifically, make sure your NIC is supported, everything else is just gravy :cheesy: ) Then, read up on ipf, and there's a lot of handy stuff on the Internet about it. I personally had little trouble figuring out the basics, it's not a bad syntax. (I just block everything in except what's going to known ports, like 20, 21, 80 and 443) Whatever you do, don't forget to use "keep state" where you need to, or you'll be able to send things out, but nothing will come back :biggrin:
Then it's all Apache setup (which you'd be messing with on W2K too it sounds like, so I'll leave that to you, hehe.) PHP 4 would be great, but don't ask me how to get it working. :mad: Binaries would be great, except that I've not seen them for my particular BSD...
After that it should just be content. I'm sure that will be interesting :biggrin:
Keep in mind though I'm not necessarily trying to change your mind, If you think you'd hav ean easier time of W2K, go ahead. But I'd like to setup a BSD box soon. (Just need drives now :biggrin: )
Thu Dec 13 04:07:44 2001
It would probably be easier to use Win2k with this as to implement this site on the platform I'm most familiar with. But I'd like to use it as an excuse to use some sort of *nix.
I have a recent Debian distro I could use. Hitscan, would you be of any help here with that?
Regardless I have another motive for using something other than Windows: I'm trying to create a site based on crossplatform technology, and how would it look if I used Windows 99% of the time, the Mac once in a while and Unix not at all?
My site will be an attempt at serious content, though it may take years to amount to anything. I'm going to try to make a site that looks at stuff like OS constructs from IPC to middleware to API's in a somewhat exaustive manner. Hardware will also be covered but that has been done by the likes of Hannibal and Paul DeMone.
I'd like to go far beyond the piddly stuff like Boot times and Install times and other such paultry nonsense.
It will start as a link to other places I find interesting yet I wish to eventually publish original content as well.
Thu Dec 13 19:16:19 2001
But I'd like to use it as an excuse to use some sort of *nix.
I have a recent Debian distro I could use. Hitscan, would you be of any help here with that?
Regardless I have another motive for using something other than Windows: I'm trying to create a site based on crossplatform technology, and how would it look if I used Windows 99% of the time, the Mac once in a while and Unix not at all?
I suppose my point is (if I can be said to have one in this mess ;) ) that if you need help, between all of us here and the manuals and websites and etc, we'll figure something out no matter what route you take. Have fun with it.
Thu Dec 13 21:14:36 2001
Mad, after your post where you defended ASP and NT, I'd like to say my respect for you has gone up a good many notches. Let none call you Maclot.
Thanks, but it's too late. Everyone and their momma's called me a "maclot".
PeterB, Paul Hill, BFG, seta...etc.
Do you really want to know the funny part? I really *don't* care about the system that I'm on, as long as it's fast *and* it has a good connection to the web.
The *only* reason I defend the Mac as much as I do is because:
A. Most Win users when I first got on mercilessly trashed the Mac platform for *whatever* reason and 90% of the time, their accusations or affirmations were hogwash(still are).
B. It is *always* beneficial to the customer to have two or three main competitors and Apple keeps the Wintel hegemony from growing complacent. They also crank out some pretty fucking cool products.
Just my take.
Madan.
(Edited by Madan at 1:15 pm on Dec. 13, 2001)
Wed Jan 2 22:40:46 2002
What kinda board does it need?
Oh, and [url=http://www.tenoddmen.com]czech out my amazing site that I stopped updating because I realized I hate writing on the internet.[/url]
(Edited by Robocop Q Einstein at 5:41 pm on Jan. 2, 2002)
Thu Jan 3 15:59:08 2002
I also checked that name thing. Freaky shit.
The name of Jason has given you sensitivity and appreciation for the finer and deeper things in life. You can enjoy reading, study, and contemplation about many different subjects. When your interests or curiosity are aroused, you work intensely at new undertakings, but your interests often wane when you encounter drudgery and monotony, with the result that you leave many things unfinished. Your name has taken you into many bitter experiences. The greatest lack in your life is stability and peace of mind. A peaceful and quiet environment, especially out in nature, is one of your greatest desires, but you are constantly taken into chaotic conditions. Because you have high ideals and are a principled person, you have been disillusioned and disappointed in people on many occasions and have experienced much aloneness. You are fond of outdoor sports, where you can find an outlet for your nervous energy. Impulsiveness could bring frequent accidents and unfortunate happenings into your life. You do not like to be restricted or to have your freedom curtailed in any way. You find it difficult to control your thoughts and could swing in moods from one extreme to the other. Your speech can become very critical and sarcastic when you are frustrated or crossed. This name creates a weakness in the heart, lungs, and bronchial organs, and could cause heart trouble, pneumonia, asthma, or tuberculosis. It also creates tension in the nervous system, particularly the solar plexus and stomach, causing nervous indigestion and relative conditions.
Some freaky baby-name-fucker has been following me around or some shit. ph34r!
Thu Jan 3 16:11:15 2002
You can cool it entirely with the quiet case fan the Shuttle SV24 provides. Use the integrated graphics and a floppy distro of Linux and the box should be damn near, if not completely, inaudible.
Thu Jan 3 16:12:35 2002
Thu Jan 3 16:29:31 2002
Thu Jan 3 16:51:12 2002
you do realise that whole name thing is hocus pocus bullshit right?
IG: Floppy Linux is cool and all, but it blows ass as a webserver ;)
Thu Jan 3 17:06:49 2002
What kinda board does it need?
Any Socket370 will do.
Thu Jan 3 19:39:15 2002
It may be hocus pocus, but it's pretty accurate.
Socket370. Gotcha.
Fri Jan 4 07:30:49 2002
Your first name of Jeremy has given you a very practical, hard-working, systematic nature.
I'm often less than practical, a total slacker, and like doing things in a backwards, random type non-systematical way.
Your interests are focused on technical, mechanical, and scientific things, to the exclusion of interests of an artistic, musical, or social nature.
I like science and technology but I'm always yearning after art and music. I like drawing and making music (even though I suck at both) and I love writing.
You have a rather skeptical outlook on life and rather materialistic standards.
I'm always hopeful about life even though I get depressed easily. I have walked away from well-paying respectable jobs because I couldn't stand working in that environment. Hardly materialistic. In fact I don't like buying things if I don't have to, I'd rather save money and work less.
In reaching your goals, you are very independent and resourceful, patient and determined.
I want to achieve my goals right away and I either do or I give up.
You can be so very positive and definite in your own ideas and opinions that others sense a lack of tact and friendliness in your manner of expression.
Everyone who meets me thinks I'm friendly and tactful.
You are inclined to be rather demanding and self-centred in your personal wants, and your own desires can be so overriding that you fail to recognize or appreciate the feelings, opinions, or desires of others.
I always put other people's feelings first, to the detriment of myself and my own well being.
As a consequence, difficulties in relations within the family or with close associates can arise.
I've always been close to my family.
Weaknesses in the health centre in the head, and in the stomach and intestinal organs.
Whatever, I never get serious headaches and my stomach is as solid as a rock.
So, overall, I'd have to say:
[color=red][size=50]WRONG!!!![/color][/size]
Fri Jan 4 07:56:02 2002
It is so inaccurate about my name it's not funny.
Maybe you're just innacurate about your life.
You are inclined to be rather demanding and self-centred in your personal wants, and your own desires can be so overriding that you fail to recognize or appreciate the feelings, opinions, or desires of others.
As in, maybe this part is correct. You are failing to see the greater Jeremy for your pathetic interests.
You make me sick.
Fri Jan 4 08:17:29 2002
Maybe you're just innacurate about your life.
Well, I'm accurate about the life I lead.
But if it's supposed to be about the life I want then perhaps it is inaccurate.
Fri Jan 4 16:35:49 2002
Your name of Riso creates a quick, clever mind capable of grasping and assimilating new ideas. You are rather studious, mentally challenging each new idea before accepting it. Because you learn so quickly you have little patience with those whose mental processes are somewhat slower and you could become supercilious or somewhat "know it all" in your attitude. This characteristic could make you rather unpopular with your associates. Although you are very knowledgeable and intelligent, you often find spontaneous verbal expression difficult. You crave friendship, understanding, love, and affection abut your reserved manner appears forbidding to others. You can give expression to your personal thoughts and feelings most fluently through the written word. You have a sensitive nature--sensitive to your environment and particularly sensitive to how your deeper and more serious interests are regarded by others. Your feelings are very easily hurt and to protect yourself you withdraw within the realms of your own private thoughts and shut out the rest of the world. Moods, which are your worst enemy, result. Your sensitivity and lack of verbal expression frustrate and limit the satisfaction in life to be gained from your responsible and capable nature. Health problems arise due to worry and a sensitivity in the respiratory area which could lead to problems with the heart, lungs, or bronchial organs.
Here's the one from my real name (which I edited out, hehe)
The name of ... gives you a very individual, reserved, serious nature. You stick stubbornly to your ideas or decisions, in spite of any appeals or advice; you are not willing to accept a compromise. You prefer to be alone with your own thoughts, rather than in the company of others. This name restricts spontaneity in association and the fluency of your verbal expression. When you are required to express yourself in personal matters requiring finesse and diplomacy, you feel awkward and embarrassed. Although you realize perfectly well what is expected of you, you are unable to find the right words, and hence you end up saying something inappropriate in a candid way. You can express your deeper thoughts and feelings best through writing. Your friendships and personal associations are rather restricted, being limited to those of a similar nature who can understand and accept your rather straightforward yet reserved manner. You are steadfast and loyal, and do not allow gossip or anything belittling to be said against those whom you accept in friendship. You find satisfaction in being outdoors or in getting out into nature, or in dealing with the products of the earth. There is originality and depth of thought contained in this name, particularly along practical and mathematical lines. This name can adversely affect the health of your respiratory organs, the heart and lungs. Also, you are prone to suffer from weaknesses centering in the head.
Fri Jan 4 16:41:22 2002
Also, you are prone to suffer from weaknesses centering in the head.
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Fri Jan 4 16:54:24 2002
Fri Jan 4 17:56:43 2002
FUCKER.
Fri Jan 4 20:20:10 2002
Sat Jan 5 19:47:05 2002
May I humbly suggest the "World's most advanced operating system: OSX?" ;)
M.
Sat Jan 5 19:58:26 2002
recent finincial limitations have prohibited me from assembling said server. :(