Wed Nov 14 22:43:12 2001
"PCs are better in every situation because you can build a faster machine for less."
has to be perhaps the most brutally stupid premise I've heard this month.
Just *how* many ppl build their own machines? Less than 10% ever "crack the shell", much less build their own.
The fact is, OEMs, while cheaper than Apple are significantly more expensive than "do it yourself". Moreseo, OEM total solutions are almost comparatively priced to Apple solutions.
Secondly, most 3D/2D artists, business ppl, home users and science researchers know nothing about hardware and do NOT build their own systems. Moreover, they have little interest in doing so.
When is the argument of cheaper assembly, by some tech monkeys, going to vanish?
We're not talking about enthusiasts, 9 times out of 10. We're talking about layusers that will never change their RAM much less alter their Bios, install a nic or change a mobo.
Stupid...
M.
Wed Nov 14 23:02:25 2001
While I don't dispute that max PC speeds exceed max Mac speeds, the argument:"PCs are better in every situation because you can build a faster machine for less."
Which also goes along with the argument that the Mac is better because it is faster on select filters of Photoshop
but also of note is the "Creative People Only Use Macs because Macs let them be more creative" bogus argument #76
I can think of a few reasons why I think Windows Machines are better, but yes, sometimes pure speed isn't an issue in certain applications.
I like Windows because of the Availability of software titles, especially games, the interface (which is superior IMO), my personal familiarity, and the fact that I can build a machine both cheaper and faster than a Mac.
But whatever floats one's boat, or whatnot as OW would say
;)
Wed Nov 14 23:14:49 2001
I can think of a few reasons why I think Windows Machines are better, but yes, sometimes pure speed isn't an issue in certain applications.
Let's be fucking honest. Except for behemoth biz class dbs and apps. High level 3D graphics, the speed differences in, say, Word on PC and Mac is almost non-existent.
I like Windows because of the Availability of software titles, especially games, the interface (which is superior IMO), my personal familiarity, and the fact that I can build a machine both cheaper and faster than a Mac.
For you. Fortunately, you are not the norm. In fact, you're not even a 10% norm. Moreso, while I can understand your preference for say, networking or app choice or OS, the premise that apps are unavailable for Mac is simply untrue.
While prohibitively fewer choices exist for Mac and while said choices are, to my oft-dismay, more expensive, one CAN perform effectively on a Mac....just as much so, 95% than on a PC.
For many, that effectiveness, couples greatly with it's seamless bridge between hardware/software and its ease of use/OS.
Still, your preferences, while legitimate, are not coincidental with the stupid argument posted above.
As for games, the newest games we've been talking about and most of the most popular ones can be played on a Mac.
BG II has a Mac version. As does the StarCraft I bought.
Mad.
Wed Nov 14 23:20:10 2001
I'm not sure where your argument 76 came from
I guess you haven't been to the BF in recent days...
:)
Wed Nov 14 23:39:55 2001
Annother thing is that when you say "you could build a better machine for less" it doesn't neccesarily apply to you personally it could apply to an oem. Many OEM's offer more options in terms of customizing your hardware. Apple has gone from bad to worse. They used to give you some more options in terms of hardware. Now there is almost none. This makes the consumer pay for hardware they might not need, and is wastefull.
Wed Nov 14 23:49:06 2001
Annother thing is that when you say "you could build a better machine for less" it doesn't neccesarily apply to you personally it could apply to an oem. Many OEM's offer more options in terms of customizing your hardware. Apple has gone from bad to worse. They used to give you some more options in terms of hardware. Now there is almost none. This makes the consumer pay for hardware they might not need, and is wastefull.
Like what? A nic? A modem? Firewire?
Mac users for the most part...hell, MOST ppl that use Mac, be them diehards or not praise two features of the Mac above all others:
A. Ease of use(which is tied to the GUI and to the tight integration between OS and hardware)
B. A Mac's ability to grow with the user. You just got a digital camera and it has firewire? Whoops, your HP doesn't have it. Go get one installed.
Or,
Gee, you didn't think you needed a modem with your DSL until the service got cancelled....now you're dying to get online...
Or
You decide to try and link your laptop to your machine. Can be done wi a nic but NOT if your Dell was opt-out networking card.
While, yes, the cost is additional, it's also *very* reassuring for customers to know that no matter what wierd events come their way, Apples usually have a handle on it. Customers feel secure in the knowledge that they won't have to install new hardware or equipment. That they won't have to go several days(or weeks...) wiout their machine because it is being retrofitted to handle a situation that they, in their limited computer-knowledgeability failed to foresee.
While extremely informed users know what to look for, even they can benefit from some conservatism but even if they didn't, "extremely informed consumers" are NOT even close to the norm.
Again, while 1/5 users may know what a "graphics card" is, only a tenth of that would even have a clue about 8500 vs GeForce 3 or how PCI and AGP fit into that equation.
To force customers to choose about hardware they understand very little of may prove to be a cost saving boon up front, it is more than cancelled, imo, by the lack of convenience, and extra $ spent later on when emergencies come up.
And as you know, emergencies always DO seem to come up...
M.
Thu Nov 15 00:03:48 2001
Thu Nov 15 00:07:20 2001
Not that most biz purchasers have a clue anyways.
Case in point, we have Accounting analysts running better machines(733s) than a Web dev(500)...
Make sense? Hell no.
Or the fact that they buy Win 98 for Web devs here?
Make sense? Hell no.
Or the fact that there are modems on some machines here?, while no sound card on machines in the advertising dept?
Make sense? You see my point.
While yes, customizing in biz would help. It would ONLY help, if most biz purchasers had an idea of what to look for(or what they should get) and, be they biz or techies, most simply don't have a *clue*.
M.
(Edited by Madan at 4:08 pm on Nov. 14, 2001)
Thu Nov 15 00:11:19 2001
Thu Nov 15 00:22:10 2001
M.
Fri Nov 16 11:07:04 2001
Just little lags that are annoying.
When is a mac card going to come out at around 666mhz???
Socrates
Fri Nov 16 12:02:15 2001
Fri Nov 16 19:43:02 2001
Why: I don't know. So much for the think different approach to configuring your box.
It's more like:
Big Brother knows Best
Socrates
Fri Nov 16 20:00:01 2001
Grammar doesn't matter.
Sat Nov 17 09:23:44 2001
Sat Nov 17 09:38:47 2001
We'll offer incredibly overpriced and overhyped crap, and you'll take it up the ass and buy it anyway, because we're Apple, and make MacOS, and no one else sells it because we say so! And our computers are elegant.
(Edited by Imitation Gruel at 1:39 am on Nov. 17, 2001)
Sat Nov 17 10:30:56 2001