Thu Oct 4 22:15:00 2001

Another one two seconds later(I didn't capture the 16 lil' brothers that spawned after I closed him)...

Or, of course, this one:

:rolleyes:

M.

Thu Oct 4 22:23:53 2001

Of course, I checked to see why my "resources" would be dogged.

Exactly *HOW* many apps did I have open?

But, but, that's impossible! My Wintel has:

RAM...

Yeah, like RAM matters to Win 9x.

M.

Thu Oct 4 22:27:45 2001

More specifically why are YOU using 9x?

Thu Oct 4 22:35:28 2001

M.

Thu Oct 4 22:38:06 2001

I never once crashed while coding the school site, on my iFruit at home.

M.

Thu Oct 4 23:13:43 2001

Thu Oct 4 23:52:38 2001

Fri Oct 5 00:02:47 2001

at any rate, that sucks.

Fri Oct 5 01:33:08 2001

Fri Oct 5 02:10:42 2001

device installation is completely wanker.

2000 rools!

Fri Oct 5 02:36:11 2001

Fri Oct 5 02:37:47 2001

Fri Oct 5 02:43:47 2001

Well, you'd be wrong! aahahahahahaaahaha!

Fri Oct 5 03:48:35 2001

well i feel better now.

granted i can't beat the feeling hitscan has from getting his balls sucked by ATI and Windows 9x...

/me envies hitscan...

hitscan, maybe cause tehy suck your balls not very well... tell tehm to be gentle and teh suckage might be good...

okay now i'm just taking it way to far!!

Fri Oct 5 04:13:18 2001

i hate stupid people.

:(

Fri Oct 5 04:31:01 2001

Nothing to do with the OS.

Fri Oct 5 04:40:16 2001

Most of those errors are application-generated, not OS-generated.

And what of those errors that are OS related? And if an app misbehaves in a win9x enviroment chanes are the OS is going to go south for the winter.
Windows NT/2K is better in that case. Its one thing for an application to be at fault, but another if it brings down the OS with it.
Meh! I mostly use windows 2k or NT. So me a happy camper.

Fri Oct 5 06:43:39 2001

Fri Oct 5 09:36:41 2001

Fri Oct 5 15:04:13 2001

Madan, have you gone to the respective programs' webpages for any possible updates or fixes to these problems?  Or spoken with your internal IS/IT department about resolving these issues?

I won't discount the possibility of an underlying problem in Windows; after all, I can't myself peer at the machine and see how munged it could be from all the stuff that has been installed. ;)  But first, ya gotta look at the apps: they are the ones generating these errors.

I did a quick search at the MS Knowledge Base for "EOutOfResources" (the first error message of yours) and didn't come up with any hits.  This leads me to believe that that error is most likely to be app-specific (i.e. 1st Page 2000).

I then did the same for "EAccessViolation" (from the HomeSite error), and again came up with no hits, which again leads me to strongly believe that the app is causing the problem.

Seriously, please check the manufacturers of these apps for updates, or have IT/IS look at it.

Non-seriously, since I can't look at your machine for you, I offer two suggestions:
1) Win2K or XP.  If you can't do that, then...
2) Front Page 2000.  ;)

Fri Oct 5 15:38:58 2001

Fri Oct 5 15:57:50 2001

from OscarWilde posted at 5:40 am on Oct. 5, 2001


And what of those errors that are OS related? And if an app misbehaves in a win9x enviroment chanes are the OS is going to go south for the winter.

Fri Oct 5 21:52:21 2001

OS9 and 8.6 all have quirks equal, or superior, to any caused by some pos software you put on 98.

What amazes me about 98 is that it runs so much software, that won't run on  anything else.

As for the comments that 98 is not a business os, many business programs are written to run on 98, and only 98, in both the legal and medical profession.

So, regardless of MSFT propaganda, it was the os of choice for many of these offices, and restaurants as well.

Having your money accounted for by 98 is truly a scary proposition, but, many programs don't give you any other choice.

gs

Sat Oct 6 00:20:05 2001

Sat Oct 6 02:24:15 2001

A. Yes, the entire OS was hosed after each of those three errors and required a HARD restart...

... :rolleyes: Ugh...

B. Our admins are pretty experienced.(at least that what their biz employers tell me) They still don't take 2k. Apparently, getting the licenses would be very expensive and they told me that it doesn't work well with 98x and 95 legacy platforms WIOUT *major* troubleshooting.

At least, that's what the network guys said. They said they wouldn't support me or my connection to the network(I'd be on my own), if I installed my own copy on my machine.

C.

I'm thinking the same thing that DrPizza is saying.  My first thought was, "What the hell is IstPage?"  I see another is HomeSite 4.5.

Homesite is the #1 HTML editing tool sold. It'd done by Allaire, a subsidiary of Macromedia. They've been quite stable for the year I've used it. Usually other apps. would crash instead. I don't know what happened there.... :/...

1st HTML is another free HTML editing tool. It's free but the app. did a pretty good job. Anyone that's interested in composing HTML, XHTML, CFML, DHTML, JS, JavaS, VBS and others should look into 1st as their dev. group always keeps up-to-date with W3C standards and ecma standards.

Whatever.

I tried one. Fried. Shut the app down. Tried the other...fried.

My IE was also acting funny as well as my Crysal.

I suppose all four of those apps were mis-coded? I don't think so.

Besides, no matter how bad the app is, it shouldn't bring the entire machine down....three times, no?

Madan, have you gone to the respective programs' webpages for any possible updates or fixes to these problems?  Or spoken with your internal IS/IT department about resolving these issues?

Yes and no. I'm on my own. Why the hell do you think I spend so much time on OSY and why I *used* to spend time on Ars?

I'm alone.

I won't discount the possibility of an underlying problem in Windows; after all, I can't myself peer at the machine and see how munged it could be from all the stuff that has been installed.   But first, ya gotta look at the apps: they are the ones generating these errors.

I restarted twice(after the three) and everything seems to be working fine again. *shrug*.

I did a quick search at the MS Knowledge Base for "EOutOfResources" (the first error message of yours) and didn't come up with any hits.  This leads me to believe that that error is most likely to be app-specific (i.e. 1st Page 2000).

I've seen that error for Crystal and I've seen it for IE. Just with different numbers.

I then did the same for "EAccessViolation" (from the HomeSite error), and again came up with no hits, which again leads me to strongly believe that the app is causing the problem.

I honestly don't think it has a sep. error for every app imaginable.
I just think the error is probably deemed by MS to be *rare*...

Non-seriously, since I can't look at your machine for you, I offer two suggestions:
1) Win2K or XP.  If you can't do that, then...
2) Front Page 2000.  

Front Page sucks.

And the errors haven't come back. I HAD been using Homesite for a year on it wiout problem. I don't thin k its the app's fault. If it was, why would it just crap itself after a year?

Doesn't make sense.

BTW, it gave me an error today. It froze during Crystal and I had to pull the plug. Even the power switch(held down for half a minute) didn't work.

No error message...just frozen.

:/

M.

(Edited by Madan at 7:28 pm on Oct. 5, 2001)

Sat Oct 6 02:42:46 2001

Our admins are pretty experienced.(at least that what their biz employers tell me) They still don't take 2k. Apparently, getting the licenses would be very expensive and they told me that it doesn't work well with 98x and 95 legacy platforms WIOUT *major* troubleshooting.

I'm sorry but those guys are SOOOO FUCKING FULL OF SHIT!!!!

Before I moved the entire network here at work from windows 95/8 to win2k, i tried one or two workstations with Win2k for a trial period. I had no problems what so ever other then when Windows 2000 was released, most of HP drivers were still beta and I had to wait ~4 months before they finally released full drivers.
The only problem that win95/8 machines could encounter are with shared folders on Windows 2000 workstations, but that is only if the name is too long. Actually when you share a folder and the name is too long a warning pops up and lets you know that there is a chance that the windows 9x machines might not be able to access your folder and then suggests an approriate name (which you can ignore if you want to).
Then again i'm speaking from my experience, and so far other then a few problems with sharing folders, i've seen nothing that would suggest the crock that you were told.
Keep in mind that i'm not even MCSE certified and I still managed to put together a very cohesive network where there are a mix of various workstations, including my mac. Granted now there is only one windows 98 workstation and everything else is windows 2000. Plus I don't use appleshare any more and just stick to using TCP/IP on the PowerMac here in front of me.

ANd yes frontpage sucks ass.

Sat Oct 6 02:52:19 2001

Apparently, getting the licenses would be very expensive

:o  Yeah, if they bought all the copies off-the-shelf. :rolleyes:  I think they're just copping out.  Licenses from MS are relatively cheap, and certainly cheaper than buying full or even upgrade packages off the shelf.

and they told me that it doesn't work well with 98x and 95 legacy platforms WIOUT *major* troubleshooting.

I'd like to hear more about their supposed problems, and the supposed applications that supposedly won't work with these supposed modifications.  Do you have supposed IT people?  ;)

Homesite is the #1 HTML editing tool sold.

Yes, I'm aware of it.  I was not aware of 1st Page, hence my mentioning of that fact.

Yes and no. I'm on my own. Why the hell do you think I spend so much time on OSY and why I *used* to spend time on Ars?

I'm alone.

Now here's where I raise an eyebrow.  Which job is this at?  And are you doing something that you were hired to do?  Because if so, they should be supporting you as much as they can so that you can do the job you were hired to perform.  Of course, maybe I'm just weird that way.

I honestly don't think it has a sep. error for every app imaginable.
I just think the error is probably deemed by MS to be *rare*...

Nope, gotta disagree with ya there.  There are verrrrry obscure errors listed there.  If a problem report is generated somewhere at MS, it makes it to the KB.  I'm not a programmer though so I don't know exactly what those calls/errors are about.  I hope DrP reads this and can elaborate on these.

BTW, it gave me an error today. It froze during Crystal and I had to pull the plug. Even the power switch(held down for half a minute) didn't work.

No error message...just frozen.

Me thinks of hardware problems behind most, maybe all your issues.  I'm recommend that they swap yer RAM as a first test, since I'd expect that to be the least intrusive to start with.

Hope we can get this sorted out.

Sat Oct 6 03:01:04 2001

As for the helping, riff, I think you're just strange.

:)

M.

Sat Oct 6 20:28:19 2001

Sounds like you might have hardware problems. Anyway, if you installed 2k yourself, what support would you need. These guys sound so dumb, I can't see how you would actually be able to get help from them anyway.

Sat Oct 6 22:09:42 2001

Tue Oct 9 04:22:14 2001

Tue Oct 9 04:29:56 2001

some people in the support forum refers to this program as "The biggest peace of shit ever released"

anyway, useless post.

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Tue Oct 9 04:51:30 2001

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agreed!
 

Tue Oct 9 08:32:21 2001

Tue Oct 9 12:55:32 2001

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This message has been edited to add needless emphasis. Consider yourselves informed.

(Edited by Imitation Gruel at 5:56 am on Oct. 9, 2001)

Tue Oct 9 21:21:53 2001

It's great and I HIGHLY recommend it to anyone doing ASP/CFML/HTML/XHTML or other...

It's MUCH better than Frontpage, which is the crap of all time.

BTW, it's "piece" not "peace".

M.

Tue Oct 9 22:21:31 2001

Out of curiousity, how does it compare to EditPlus? /* I haven't looked to see if the app is a visual HTML tool... */

Tue Oct 9 22:27:29 2001

It's MUCH better than Frontpage, which is the crap of all time.

Tue Oct 9 22:41:51 2001

A. Highlight colors of block text automatically.

B. Collapsable code.

C. Automatic closing of tags.

D. HTML/CSS checker.

E. Multiple-in built browser viewers.

F. Multiple in-built resolution viewers.

G. Special character/color libraries. Code libraries that actively assess viable types for each tag.

H. Work on multiple pages without having multiple windows.

I. RAD code tools for mouseovers, imagemaps, tables, frames and basic ASP commands.

And a whole mess of other goodies.

Hey, just because you like using a quill with ink doesn't mean my Mont Blanc or Cross ain't better. ;)

FP sucks all time.

M.

Tue Oct 9 22:55:29 2001

(Damn! I cannot continue the analogy! You might win by default! ;) )

Wed Oct 10 02:01:56 2001

I don't know html code for shit and I managed to set up a fairly professional looking website using Dreamweaver 3.0 (thats the version i have). It took a while to learn, but its SOOOOO FUCKING SWEEETTTTT!!!

I tried Frontpage at first to create the website for this company but its like I had to stick a DOD up my ass and then dance on my hands to the music of Robbie Williams while i had a goat chew on my penis. :tongue:
I think frontpage sucks ass!
Maybe the new one is better, but it doesn't compare to what I had with Dreamweaver 3.0

Wed Oct 10 02:37:37 2001

Wed Oct 10 09:32:27 2001

It supports DDE+bigger filesizes.

Wed Oct 10 09:39:43 2001

No big deal.

Wed Oct 10 10:28:32 2001

from Imitation Gruel posted at 11:39 am on Oct. 10, 2001

I have to use Notepad when I submit things to FFNet, because FFNet doesn't support .doc documents. Only .txt and a couple other things; none of which, to my knowledge, are supported by Word.

:rolleyes:

Save as...
Type: Only Text (*.txt)

Wed Oct 10 10:59:47 2001

Wed Oct 10 15:01:57 2001

Lots of people dislike FP because of the pre-2K versions -- but they're doing it (and themselves) a disservice by holding this view.

Wed Oct 10 21:07:44 2001

I don't know html code for shit and I managed to set up a fairly professional looking website using Dreamweaver 3.0 (thats the version i have). It took a while to learn, but its SOOOOO FUCKING SWEEETTTTT!!!

I tried Frontpage at first to create the website for this company but its like I had to stick a DOD up my ass and then dance on my hands to the music of Robbie Williams while i had a goat chew on my penis.  
I think frontpage sucks ass!
Maybe the new one is better, but it doesn't compare to what I had with Dreamweaver 3.0

Dreamweaver is VERRRRY nice. It's been voted number one web app. for 97, 98, 99.(don't know about 2k.)

But I don't use WYSIWYG anymore. I forced myself to learn HTML 3.2(then four and now 4.1 and XHTML) and now I refuse to let go of the reins.

M.

Wed Oct 10 21:18:04 2001

Wed Oct 10 22:05:17 2001

WITHOUT the added tag garbage that DW and FP add.

Download 1st HTML from www.evrsoft.com

Trust me, you'll like it.

Come, come to the darkside!

Muahahahahaha!

M.